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Old 05-06-2009, 12:19 PM   #51
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[quote=GB;819196]You are presuming wrong and you are also taking one small part of one small article as the final word.

That the meat should not be salty from brining is the very heart of the matter. It's not a small part of a small article. It sums up the articles entire premise.
I want to thank everyone for chiming in on this matter. It's clear that there are many differing opinions on this and no one is right or wrong. I just keep going back to the idea that all this salting in whatever form is an attempt to replace/disguise what has been bred out of so many of our meats. Regardless of whether "we" demanded it or not. I, for one, am going to pay more if necessary to get more organic, natural meats and I will tell the supermarkets who do not offer a choice why I am no longer buying from them.
In these times of stress and uncertainty - just one pork chop that tasted like it did in the '50's would gladden my heart. Fat be ****ed.
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Old 05-06-2009, 12:28 PM   #52
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You are presuming wrong and you are also taking one small part of one small article as the final word.

That the meat should not be salty from brining is the very heart of the matter. It's not a small part of a small article. It sums up the articles entire premise.
I want to thank everyone for chiming in on this matter. It's clear that there are many differing opinions on this and no one is right or wrong. I just keep going back to the idea that all this salting in whatever form is an attempt to replace/disguise what has been bred out of so many of our meats. Regardless of whether "we" demanded it or not. I, for one, am going to pay more if necessary to get more organic, natural meats and I will tell the supermarkets who do not offer a choice why I am no longer buying from them.
In these times of stress and uncertainty - just one pork chop that tasted like it did in the '50's would gladden my heart. Fat be ****ed.

You are right. It should not be salty. It should be moist and savory.

I think you are doing the right thing by telling the store that you won't buy injected meats. Sadly, I bet they won't care.

I guess I am lucky that my store sells both kinds.
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Old 05-06-2009, 12:34 PM   #53
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I don't like it.
Then don't buy it GF --- Like I said before..Call, complain, shop elsewhere. Tell the store Managers you are going to boycott the store until they offer you a choice! Enlist like minded people in your area to do the same!!

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And it is REALLY nice to know that WE made this happen.
In the case of "Enhanced" meats WE the consumer played a major roll. WE the consumer always do.

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I am sure happy to find out that companies NEVER create demands, trends or desires for products that otherwise might never get on the market.
This is a bad thing???? -- I see it as a good/positive thing! Think of all of the new, better, improved, safer, healthier products that we have today compared to just 5 years ago that some company or individual created/introduced into the market place...Create a demand by doing so????? They can only hope/pray so. WE the consumer have the final say if the product makes it. Every year there are thousands of new products issued, by companies, individuals starting new companies, etc into the market place... At the end of the day WE the consumer get to vote on whether or not the product stays on the shelf. We vote with our pocket books!! WE create the demand....or not.

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This is a bad thing???? -- I see it as a good/positive thing! Think of all of the new, better, improved, safer, healthier products that we have today compared to just 5 years ago that some company or individual created/introduced into the market place...Create a demand by doing so????? They can only hope/pray so. WE the consumer have the final say if the product makes it. Every year there are thousands of new products issued, by companies, individuals starting new companies, etc into the market place... At the end of the day WE the consumer get to vote on whether or not the product stays on the shelf. We vote with our pocket books!! WE create the demand....or not.

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I agree.

I know consumer products manufacturers create "artificial" demand for their products, but then if "natural" demand cannot be sustained the products ultimately fail.

But if real demand for them continues, then the product must be meeting a real need -- and,like Bob said, that's a good thing (or was that Martha?)
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I agree.

I know consumer products manufacturers create "artificial" demand for their products, but then if "natural" demand cannot be sustained the products ultimately fail.

But if real demand for them continues, then the product must be meeting a real need -- and,like Bob said, that's a good thing (or was that Martha?)

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Old 05-07-2009, 03:27 AM   #57
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Well, I must be wrong then, GB.
Thanks for setting me straight; it is nice to have such an authority amongst the staff here.

Gosh, it is nice to know that companies have our best interests in mind, and would never engage in less-than-honest practices, just to make a dollar or two.

And it is REALLY nice to know that WE made this happen. I am sure happy to find out that companies NEVER create demands, trends or desires for products that otherwise might never get on the market.

thanks for the eye openers!
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:10 PM   #58
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Hi everybody

I rarely cook poultry or red meat, Yesterday I was cooking some Kangaroo meat and and realised that it had too much juice, when I I tasted found too salty . it was such taht I did not put any salt in the dish any more ,

I was wondering about the reason of too much salt in the meat - so I consulted google and found oud out that there there are special machines tha are designed for infusion of saline water + a chemical the make it sure that the water do not leach out. I also found this discussion group.

I agree with those of you who want advocate for labeling of saline infused meats. good on you do whatever you can.

I am going to discuss the matter with my GP and also doing something about it in Australia.


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Old 02-22-2014, 09:01 AM   #59
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I just read through this thread from beginning to end, and I see valid points from both sides of the discussion. On the OP's side, there are a great many places where choice between natural, and adulterated meat is not an option. Where there is a choice, those who rely on "enhanced" meat can purchase it, while those who really enjoy the cooking process can purchace the natural product.

Injected meat, as GB stated, has it's place on the store shelves. But like Laury stated, it shouldn't be the only choice.

I bemoan the fact that in our society, money is the all important motivator. In that famous book that I like to read, it never stated that money is the root of all evil. It does state that "The love of money is the root of all evil." IMHO, there are too many people who put their love of money above the love of their neighbor. This leads to unscrupulous practices, whether it be injecting meat with lots of water, or shoddy workmanship by a manufacturer of their widget.

If I purchase products at Walmart, for instance, I know that I am purchasing products designed to make the owners of Walmart very wealthy, often by forcing manufactures to lower their standards so that Walmart can offer a more attractive price. Unfortunately, most people in our nation are struggling to make ends meat, and will gladly pay less for an inferior product. This is why I never purchase meat there. I only buy it at one locale superette, or from a butcher who's shop is 20+ miles away. Hot dogs, on the other hand, I buy at the cheaper price.

Unlike high quality brands of, say, outdoor boots, Walmart can't force Koegles to change their product to meet Walmart criteria. But they do force others to do so.

Ultimately, as GB stated, we decide which products are sold or not on store shelves. Unfortunately, most people don't have the disposable income to allow choice. Of course, it we could get rid of cable tv bills, and cell phone bills, and other costs for luxury items that we seem to think are essential, we might have enough income to raise our standards of living.

If I can get wild game, or I can catch my own fish, or eat fresh veggies from my garden, a garden that uses only manure and compost as fertilizer, that is far preferable to anything food I can get in a store. unfortunately, though I am a well above average shot, I am a well below average hunter. I'm not good at spotting game, and rarely have time to get into the woods, or on a good fishing stream. And my gardens are hit and miss. Some years, I get more produce than I know what to do with. Other years, I only get a meal or two's worth of veggies.

Will I buy injected meat, probably. Do i prefer excellent, natural meat, definitely. I am pragmatic though, and realize that we have created a society of haves, and have nots, with fewer people in between. I make a decent wage, and am still struggling due to family health issues, the high cost of food, not pay raise of any kind now for seven years, no better job prospects where I live, etc. But ultimately, my choices have given me four outstanding adult kids, a wife I love, and a sturdy home. I have better water from my well than most people in the world. I have support from my neighbors, family, and members of the church I go to. And I have the respect of many.

I choose to live in a place where there is not as much choice in the supermarkets. It gave me a safer place to raise those four rugrats, who became wonderful parents in their own right.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that we need to look carefully at where we are, as individuals, as family members, and as a society. We need to take responsibility for our state of well being. We have the right to choose. But we have to think about the ramifications of our choices.

I can't directly control the choices of others, though I may be able to influence those choices in some way. I can't make the major pork industry change the way they do things. I can make a choice to seek out premium pork producers near where I live. I know they are around. I haven't made the choice to save the money to purchase a whole, or half pig, or a half cow, even though I know the quality is far superior than I can get in any supermarket, and will cost significantly less in the far run. But coming up with the initial cash outlay is a problem for me, and for most people. If I set aside a little cash every payday, until I had sufficient funds, I would be doing myself a favor. Unfortunately, every time I start doing that, something unexpected comes up that requires that savings to be spent. That's just life.

We must understand that our personal choices determine our quality of life. If TV is so important to us that we are willing to pay $100+ per month to have it, then we must understand that there is something else we must forgo to enjoy those TV programs. That's just the way it is. We can't, and shouldn't have everything. Learning to make good choices is part of why we live in this world.

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Very well "said" Chief.
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