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Old 03-29-2005, 05:14 PM   #11
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Most meat-packing plants (at least IBP, as I was taught in college) try to keep the poor critter as calm as possible, and to put the animal down as quickly and painlessly as possible. There is a good reason for this: When an animal dies in a stressed-out condition, the meat is not "the best it can be". The hormones and toxins present when muscle tissue is excersized like that render the meat tough.

My sister and BIL used to raise a couple calves every year for slaughter. One year, the calves managed to get out of the pasture, and some idiot chased them down the road in his car for a mile or two, on the day they were supposed to go to slaughter. As a result, my sister and BIL waited a couple of weeks, then sent them off.
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Old 03-29-2005, 06:29 PM   #12
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I don't want any animal to suffer but I think the PETA folks really need to get a life. Like CharlieD said, they won't stop until we're eating grass.
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Old 03-30-2005, 02:46 AM   #13
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PETA is a particularly American phenomenon! Although they DO try to make inroads in Europe - particularly here in the UK. BUT, we have had ethical farming in the UK for at least the last 30 years. We have also had the Soil Association working tirelessly for better control re what we put in the ground to raise meat or cereals or vegetables. GM crops have had a very hard time in the UK - we don't like them and don't want them. Even the British Govt has agreed (after allowing a 5 yr trial) that GM crops DO interfere with the ecosystem around the crop sites. Here's the URL for the Soil Association, should any of you be interested in learning the history of organic farming in the UK
http://www.soilassociation.org/web/sa/saweb.nsf?Open

I love meat - couldn't imagine a diet without it. All I want is for the meat to be raised in the best possible way whilst it is reared, then killed humanely and delivered to my kitchen in prime condition for me to cook it as well as I can! My butcher is a small local shop (not a chain, not a supermarket) and he has a local farm where he raised beef, sheep and chickens. All are 'Organic' and therefore more expensive than the battery-reared hens available elsewhere - but I pay the extra because I want to know where my meat is sourced. That doesn't mean I want to stop the cheaper end of the market - just that I don't want to eat it. I don't believe the meat tastes as good as properly reared and unstressed beasts produce. As AllenMI says, this is the only way to ensure optimum taste

I'm not asking anyone else to adhere to my beliefs. Neither am I the kind of screaming banshee that typifies PETA (and its European equivalents!) about 'Animal Rights' having more credence than human rights :D

Good Scottish beef is the finest in the world - bar none (why, otherwise would the great herds of places like Texas and South America and Australia have imported Aberdeen Angus to 'beef up' their herds?! )
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Old 03-30-2005, 09:26 AM   #14
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Like Ishbel says ... if you were to see how the fowl is force fed in order to bloat the liver up for foie gras, you, like she and I, may swear off foie gras forever.

They had a special on it on Food TV which was very, very graphic. And sad.
Until I was 14 I spent every summer on the farm. Believe me Iíve seen everything there is to see. Force-fed geese, slaughter of a pig and a cow, rabbits being killed with a slam of a hammer on their had, chickensí head chopped off with an ax and chicken still runs without the head. Believe me it is most terrifying thing a 5 year old (maybe even an adult) have seen in his life, I still some times dream about it. Iíve been to slaughter houses too, not modernize beautiful and clean American ones, the ones in former Soviet Union, where there was no PETA and where cruelty or maybe simply just disregard to animalsí life was pretty much a norm. My hart have never hardened by what I have seen, I still feel very-very bad when I see things like that, but I am not about to stop eating meat. PETAís accusations go very far. And their selection of what to show is carefully crafted in such way that any normal person would be terrified by what is going on. Recently Iíve seen two such presentations, one on kosher slaughterhouse, and the other one on force-fed geese. It was horrible; I almost had tears in my eyes. The only reason I did not cry is because the slaughterhouse they have presented happened to be the slaughterhouse I have been to, too many times. They (PETA) have been filming there with hidden camera for 7 month, and they were able to cut 3-4 accidents where bull gets up on its feet after being already dead. I know exactly what is going on and how animals are being slaughter and what they presented was at best falsification of facts. Well okay maybe it is not falsifications per se, but it is obviously so selective and so twisted presentation of real facts that to me it was obvious how determine they (PETA) are to present only their perverted, twisted side of the story, so people like you and me will naturally feel bad, and they got it. We do feel bad. If I did not know the truth I would seriously consider becoming vegetarian. Iím not surprised at all that people who have seen presentation of forced feeding of the geese consider not eating foie gra. I only wish they would know the whole story.
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I never said I'd viewed it on a TV - I said I'd seen it happen on a French farm. No distortion, no freeze frame, just overfeeding and then holding the beak closed and 'teasing' the food down the goose's throat until they were totally bloated....

I have problems with both Kosher and Halal methods of slaughter. I've seen both, close up and personal.

None of the above has put me off meat - it has only served to strengthen my belief in ethical farming and ethical slaughter methods.
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Old 03-30-2005, 10:17 AM   #16
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I never said I'd viewed it on a TV ...

I know you didnít. It was more a response to Jenyema, and more of a fact of what PETA does. So I really did not mean to say that you were watching the TV thing.



About ethical farming, I am all for it. About kosher slaughtering Torah absolutely prohibits unethical treatment of animals. And kosher slaughtering plants take a great care of making sure of that. This is btw one of reasons the hunting is prohibited. Kosher slaughtering though not as pleasant looking as when a huge nail is pneumatically driven in cowís head, is in fact much faster and less painful way of killing an animal.
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Old 03-30-2005, 12:21 PM   #17
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I know you didnít. It was more a response to Jenyema, and more of a fact of what PETA does. So I really did not mean to say that you were watching the TV thing.


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Huh?

What did I say about PETA filming anything? What did I say about PETA, for that matter?

Tony Bourdain's FoodTV show had a very up close and personal segment on the force feeding of geese to produce fois gras. It was heartbreaking. And he is very pro-fois gras. The show had nothing to do with PETA or animal rights, as i am sure you can guess.

I have also seen it on other television shows that had nothing to do with PETA, and read descriptions of it in books and magazines that promote the consumption of fois gras.

I have not seen it with my own eyes, but growing up inthe midwest, have seen my share of farming.

Whatever you choose to do/believe is your business. I am a member of PETA: People for the Eating of Tasty Animals. But I very strongly believe that it is wrong to torture an animal in order to somehow make it more appetizing for the human palate.

I agree with everything Ishbel says.
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Old 03-30-2005, 12:28 PM   #18
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i think we should eat the protesters...
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Old 03-30-2005, 12:31 PM   #19
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Thank you for that, Buck!
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i think we should eat the protesters...
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