"Discover Cooking, Discuss Life."

Go Back   Discuss Cooking - Cooking Forums > Discuss Cooking Community Forums > New Member Introductions!
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 09-08-2017, 07:42 AM   #21
Head Chef
 
skilletlicker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 1,323
I'm sorry s-w-f. I didn't see this:
Quote:
That's interesting - I can't find that functionality on Google - could you share the link please?
On Windows PCs there is a place on the screen called a Browser Address Bar. Right now, on my screen, it says, "http://www.discusscooking.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=1525190"
If I replace that with just, "pulled pork, brown rice" and press enter, .83 seconds later Google, which is my default search engine, shows me about 1,150,000 pages that all contain both 2-word phrases.
If I type, "recipe: pulled pork, brown rice, -eggs" .90 seconds later it returns about 1,450,000 recipes that have both of my "leftovers" and none of those recipes call for eggs.

If my default search engine is set to Bing it works almost exactly the same except to exclude eggs from the search I have to type "not eggs" instead of "-eggs"

You can get a lot more information by typing in, "How to do advanced searches in Google", or "How to do advanced searches in Bing"
Haven't checked, but strongly suspect, that would work with every possible default search engine.

By the way, you don't put in quantities for a search. When I wrote, "Leftover 1, Leftover 2" I was using placeholders for whatever the leftovers actually were.

But if you're not using a PC or a Mac, you're on your own because I'm too old and too dumb to figure out hand held devices.
__________________

__________________
"'Eat food, not too much, mostly plants." - Michael Pollan

Old bachelor cook
skilletlicker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2017, 07:57 AM   #22
Chef Extraordinaire
 
GotGarlic's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Southeastern Virginia
Posts: 19,670
Quote:
Originally Posted by skilletlicker View Post
... You can get a lot more information by typing in, "How to do advanced searches in Google", or "How to do advanced searches in Bing"
Haven't checked, but strongly suspect, that would work with every possible default search engine.

By the way, you don't put in quantities for a search. When I wrote, "Leftover 1, Leftover 2" I was using placeholders for whatever the leftovers actually were.

But if you're not using a PC or a Mac, you're on your own because I'm too old and too dumb to figure out hand held devices.
Skillet, if you look at the search results page, you should also see across the top a list of food categories, like soups, casseroles, salads, etc. You can click on those to further refine your results.

Those advanced search methods work pretty much the same on all search engines on all devices, with minor variations in how to employ it, as you mentioned. It's called Boolean search and was established as the standard at the beginning of the development of computing.

https://www.lifewire.com/what-does-b...search-3481475
__________________

__________________
The trouble with eating Italian food is that five or six days later you're hungry again. ~ George Miller
GotGarlic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2017, 08:18 AM   #23
Chef Extraordinaire
 
Addie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: East Boston, MA
Posts: 20,592
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy M. View Post
Welcome to DC.

As Craig said, we're mostly Americans and Canadians but we also have European and African members. In the past we've had active members from Asian locations as well. Not sure how active they are currently.
And some from as far away as Australia. But we don't care where you are from. Just so long as you made your trip to here.
__________________
Illegitimi non carborundum!
I don't want my last words to be, "I wish I had spent more time doing housework"
Addie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2017, 11:51 AM   #24
Assistant Cook
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: At home
Posts: 20
It looks like we're all talking at slightly cross-purposes.

If I've got 150g chicken and 400g chickpeas that I want to use up in a single recipe then that's difficult to do - even with the Google approach that skillet suggests. As you say, Google can give you recipes that include/exculde ingredients which you then have to sift through to find one that matches what you have. Even modifying what you propose by adding a quantity (i.e. "150g brown rice") instantly removes lots of results (where you might choose to modify a recipe that only has 140g).

So what we're looking for is something where you say "150g chicken", "200g chickpeas" and it searches for the recipe that is the closest fit to what you have. Unless I'm missing something, Google can't do this. As GotGarlic says - It's boolean - true/false - no compromise. Whereas for the ingredient quantity, we want a fuzzy search with boolean just for the ingredient.

As far as copyright goes, I have some arrangements in place where I can use other people's recipes from cook books and I promote their books in return. In addition, we all cook and change recipes all of the time, often inspired by what somebody else has done so copyright isn't an issue as I don't plan to outright copy other author's creations without their permission.
__________________
stop-wasting-food is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2017, 12:41 PM   #25
Master Chef
 
Sir_Loin_of_Beef's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Sir Francis Drake Hotel
Posts: 5,779
Quote:
Originally Posted by stop-wasting-food View Post
Hi everyone, I've been cooking for a long time and seem to have trouble using up ingredients in my fridge and cupboard which drives me nuts!

So as part of my MBA, I'm planning to create a website to help reduce food waste - I know, another cooking website - just what the world needs!

I'm registering here in the hope that when the time comes, you'll all be able to help me out by completing a short questionnaire. I've not created it yet but assuming you're all keen cooks , I've hopefully come to the right place!
Simple answer: Make soup!
__________________
If you love something, set it free. If it doesn't come back, HUNT IT DOWN AND KILL IT!
Sir_Loin_of_Beef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2017, 01:08 PM   #26
Assistant Cook
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: At home
Posts: 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir_Loin_of_Beef View Post
Simple answer: Make soup!
Genius - You enter the ingredients you've got and the returned result uses all of the ingredients plus water! It can be clever enough to know that some ingredients will need adding before others and can work out how many people it'll serve.
__________________
stop-wasting-food is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2017, 01:19 PM   #27
Head Chef
 
skilletlicker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 1,323
Quote:
Originally Posted by stop-wasting-food View Post
It looks like we're all talking at slightly cross-purposes.

If I've got 150g chicken and 400g chickpeas that I want to use up in a single recipe then that's difficult to do - even with the Google approach that skillet suggests. As you say, Google can give you recipes that include/exculde ingredients which you then have to sift through to find one that matches what you have. Even modifying what you propose by adding a quantity (i.e. "150g brown rice") instantly removes lots of results (where you might choose to modify a recipe that only has 140g).

So what we're looking for is something where you say "150g chicken", "200g chickpeas" and it searches for the recipe that is the closest fit to what you have. Unless I'm missing something, Google can't do this. As GotGarlic says - It's boolean - true/false - no compromise. Whereas for the ingredient quantity, we want a fuzzy search with boolean just for the ingredient.

As far as copyright goes, I have some arrangements in place where I can use other people's recipes from cook books and I promote their books in return. In addition, we all cook and change recipes all of the time, often inspired by what somebody else has done so copyright isn't an issue as I don't plan to outright copy other author's creations without their permission.
Hold on Hoss. I'm not suggesting anything and got no dog in your hunt. What I said was I might use a search engine to get a general idea in the rare instance that I feel stuck but the answer is virtually never in a recipe from google or anyplace else. With some experience, the answers you are searching for come almost intuitively. If you want to add one more site to the millions that already exist, good luck with that but frankly, I don't have too much interest in the subject. Was only trying to answer a question and politely correct some perceived misunderstandings.
__________________
"'Eat food, not too much, mostly plants." - Michael Pollan

Old bachelor cook
skilletlicker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2017, 01:32 PM   #28
Chef Extraordinaire
 
GotGarlic's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Southeastern Virginia
Posts: 19,670
Quote:
Originally Posted by stop-wasting-food View Post
It looks like we're all talking at slightly cross-purposes.

If I've got 150g chicken and 400g chickpeas that I want to use up in a single recipe then that's difficult to do - even with the Google approach that skillet suggests. As you say, Google can give you recipes that include/exculde ingredients which you then have to sift through to find one that matches what you have. Even modifying what you propose by adding a quantity (i.e. "150g brown rice") instantly removes lots of results (where you might choose to modify a recipe that only has 140g).

So what we're looking for is something where you say "150g chicken", "200g chickpeas" and it searches for the recipe that is the closest fit to what you have. Unless I'm missing something, Google can't do this. As GotGarlic says - It's boolean - true/false - no compromise. Whereas for the ingredient quantity, we want a fuzzy search with boolean just for the ingredient...
That isn't exactly what I said. I said you can do a Boolean search with Google (and other search engines). I did not say the results were true/false, black and white. In fact, Google does use fuzzy search logic. You can see it in action when you misspell a search term and it asks "do you mean this?" and displays the correct spelling. If you search for a chicken dish, it will also show results that include turkey. It only returns results with just the specific terms you used if you use the Boolean operator to tell it to do that.

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/fuzzy-search

It sounds like you have not actually tried it to see what I'm talking about.

You seem to be fixated on the idea that people search for specific amounts of specific ingredients. I don't believe they do. People just search for ingredients and a little more or less of this or that really only matters when it comes to some baking ingredients. A few tablespoons more or less of chicken or chickpeas are not going to ruin a dish.
__________________
The trouble with eating Italian food is that five or six days later you're hungry again. ~ George Miller
GotGarlic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2017, 03:08 PM   #29
Assistant Cook
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: At home
Posts: 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by GotGarlic View Post
It sounds like you have not actually tried it to see what I'm talking about.
And you seem to think I don't know how Google works! I've been working with SEO (which basically means Google) for over a decade!

Quote:
Originally Posted by GotGarlic View Post
You seem to be fixated on the idea that people search for specific amounts of specific ingredients. I don't believe they do. People just search for ingredients and a little more or less of this or that really only matters when it comes to some baking ingredients. A few tablespoons more or less of chicken or chickpeas are not going to ruin a dish.
I also don't believe they do - and as somebody mentioned earlier in this thread, it's a learned behaviour. If you could search for a specific amount of an ingredient and get a result that matched what you were searching for then you would. And if it didn't find a match (which it won't) for the search term: recipe: "150g chicken" "400g chickpeas" "200g brown rice" (the quotes are important) then you end up with a 100% fuzzy search when you want something "more boolean" and less vague.

If I tell you that I've got the following:
150g chicken
400g chickpeas
200g brown rice.

I want to find a recipe which is as close as possible to using all of these ingredients - the top 5 Google Search Results don't even come close. (if you can share a link showing otherwise I'd certainly use it!)
__________________
stop-wasting-food is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2017, 03:30 PM   #30
Chef Extraordinaire
 
GotGarlic's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Southeastern Virginia
Posts: 19,670
Quote:
Originally Posted by stop-wasting-food View Post
And you seem to think I don't know how Google works! I've been working with SEO (which basically means Google) for over a decade!
How do I know what you know? You said you're working on a master's degree. As far as I know, you could be 22 years old.

Btw, I started designing websites, including SEO, in the mid '90s.

Good luck with your project.
__________________

__________________
The trouble with eating Italian food is that five or six days later you're hungry again. ~ George Miller
GotGarlic is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

« New member | Hello! »
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



» Discuss Cooking on Facebook


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:51 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.