I don't use my bread machine that much but use the recipes. I use my Kitchen Aid mixer and mix the dough in there and bake in the oven the bread comes out great. I don't do any extra kneading to it when it is done. I do mix it for quite a while though. It always rises up real nice and tastes great. :o
I must get a Kitchen Aide Mixer soon...I think I will sell one of my guns to get one.
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