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Old 08-01-2013, 06:56 AM   #61
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CWS I think you gotta get a whole lot more money to get what you want. I just blew about $7.5K on this "starter" Wolf setup (or probably almost the same for Viking or Thermidor).

So either win the Lottery or consider trading in hubby for Tom Cruise or one of the other Hollywood or Wall St. elite.

Or I just come and live with you
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Old 08-01-2013, 05:32 PM   #62
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Congrats Greg, I wish everyone could feel the appreciation that you do with what they have.

Addie is right, so many young people want everything NOW, and until recently easy credit made it possible, times they are a changing, and people that are my age (30's) the attitudes are changing, we're becoming more frugal.

I'm a frugal guy, but I have my limits. We work hard and we have a nice home for people our age, do we have friends with nicer, fancier homes? Yes, but we feel fortunate for having what we do. I can talk myself out of most purchases, but sometimes have to let go and crack open the wallet. Recently I bought a 60" TV, I had myself talked out of it, but decided a little splurge doesn't hurt once in a while. We do most of our movie watching at home and it's something that we'll get a lot of use from. It was a good priced set, not elaborate at all just a big beautiful screen that we can afford.

We have enough available credit available to gut my kitchen and get my dream kitchen, but we don't like living to make payments on everything we own. We make the best use of what we have, and enjoy it. We have a plan in mind for the kitchen in the future, but we'll only do it when we have the money for it.
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Old 08-02-2013, 11:54 AM   #63
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It's not that young people haven't learned the lesson of working hard and being frugal and spending their money intelligently. Rather, the government and Corporate America are actively encouraging people to go into debt, and have been for quite some time. That's what caused the housing price crash, politicians and Wall St. decided that everybody deserved to own a home and they threw common sense out the window. Wall St. got rich selling mortgage derivatives, house builders got rich building tracts, people got greedy seeing their home values go up and refinanced on the new bubble of value their house had then spent it on extravagant vacations, fancy cars, needless remodeling of their houses... As it turned out it isn't common sense that everybody should own their own house, the common sense is that you have to work hard and manage your money carefully to deserve a house. Or in my case, to afford top end kitchen appliances.

The same forces are still at work today, people are encouraged to keep in debt and buy things they can't afford. The government likes it that way because people are more controllable. Don't play along and you lose your house. Corporate America likes it that way because they're milking the consuming public and transferring wealth from people to corporations.

My own complaint is that people who manage their money wisely get dragged along in the flood of greedy, thoughtless, stupid people. I manage my own money wisely but the housing crash cost me my job and ended my career early. It's only the combination of my frugality and plain dumb luck that ended up with my owning a nice house and nice kitchen appliances. That same frugality plus bad luck would have ended me up in a dingy neighborhood with an old house and cooking on a $400 stove for the rest of my life. The good luck made it happen but it was the frugality, intelligent personal finance management and hard work that made it possible.

Well, enough of a rant.

Just a few comments about the gear. When Wolf means "high broil" they really mean high! I incinerated a bagel recently having not learned that. Today I gave my bagel about 15 seconds on each side and it came out fine. I had been used to a minute on each side in my old stove.

Those burners really accelerate fast too! I guess that's a professional feature, that chefs don't have time to wait around for pots to boil while customers are complaining that their food hasn't been served yet. But you have to watch things closely when the heat is high because just like the bagel you can crisp whatever used to take 10 minutes in a minute with 15,000 BTU!

The cooking surface under the grates is really easy to clean. There's just two grates and the entire top area is flat so you can slide pans around. Remove the grates and there are sealed burners and stainless steel. A quick wipe with paper towels and maybe a bit of glass cleaner will clean most small spills and splatters. By the way, stainless steel appliances require special cleaner (other than window cleaner) and must be rubbed along with the grain or you'll ruin the nice appearance. I found that out a few weeks ago when my cousin lectured me about my stainless fridge, and it applies to the cooktop and oven too (even says it in the manuals, and you get a free sample with the appliance).

The Viking had standard oven control knobs, the Wolf has an electronic touch panel. I've gotten used to the GE's oven touch panel and I like it, and I like the Wolf too. One of Wolf's frill features I sort of like, you touch a tab at the bottom of the panel and the control panel rotates 180 degrees and shows just a plain stainless steel surface. Or you can leave the controls exposed and the clock shows the time if you like. I've got so many clocks I don't need that.

Another interesting oven feature, if you set a timer part of the control panel shows what time it will be when the timed period is over. You don't have to mentally add the countdown time to the clock time.

Even after you've cooked your meal and turn off the oven the fans continue to operate until the oven gets down to some degree of coolness. The hot air is exhausted out of a vent underneath the bottom edge of the front of the oven. That's going to be nice in cold weather!
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Old 08-02-2013, 12:43 PM   #64
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Writing the checks and running the card charges made me gasp but I'm glad I did it!~
Well, you ended up with a beautiful setup. You only cry once when you buy the best. Congratulations! :)
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Old 08-02-2013, 01:52 PM   #65
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Greg, like you I handle my own money. It is not a lot each month, but it is mine. I do pay on line, thus save on stamps. But I refuse to sign up for automatic withdrawals. For my cable bill, I always round up to the next five or zero dollar. Drives Comcast crazy. They call me every month and ask if I want to upgrade. I now just hang up on them. Grant you I don't pay for my cell phone, but why should I allow them to use up my minutes? I have only one credit card and use it very wisely. I always make more than the minimum amount due.

The auto industry is now pulling the same scam for folks to buy or lease new cars that the housing and banking industry did to potential home buyers. Bad credit? No problem! No job? No problem! Just sign here and drive home in a new car.

Spike and I have had long talks about the folks that hit those mega big Lottery Jackpots. They always take the lump sum. After the Federal and State take their share of taxes out of the lump sum, and for cities that also have their taxes, you are left with almost two-thirds of that jackpot gone. And when you go to pick up your check, the State encourages you to take that lump sum so they can get a bigger share. Do the math folks. Take the 20 years payment plan. If you don't make it to the full 20 years, your kids will get the rest in a lump sum. By then the taxes will be lower. If you invest some of that yearly money into a trust fund for your family, you still have a lot of money left over to help your family.

By following a sensible plan, you too can afford to buy those great kitchen appliances that Greg now is the proud owner of.
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Old 08-02-2013, 02:38 PM   #66
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I have not paid a dime in credit card interest in over 20 years. I carry and use only 1 credit card, use it only to make on-line purchases, and pay the balance in full each month. The bank still makes money each time I use my card.
I pay cash for my everyday purchases.....gas, groceries, etc...
Instead of carrying a 30 year mortgage I went with a 15 year instead, but had to work my butt off, working over 70 hour weeks for nearly 20 years to be able to pay off that mortgage. It's nice to be completely debt free, and have been for several years now.

And when time comes to eventually replace my appliances they will be high end.
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Old 08-02-2013, 02:46 PM   #67
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I have not paid a dime in credit card interest in over 20 years. I carry and use only 1 credit card, use it only to make on-line purchases, and pay the balance in full each month. The bank still makes money each time I use my card.
I pay cash for my everyday purchases.....gas, groceries, etc...
Instead of carrying a 30 year mortgage I went with a 15 year instead, but had to work my butt off, working over 70 hour weeks for nearly 20 years to be able to pay off that mortgage. It's nice to be completely debt free, and have been for several years now.

And when time comes to eventually replace my appliances they will be high end.
I'm with you on paying off the cc monthly. However, I use it for everything including gas and groceries. the points SO and I earn pays for vacation airfare every year.
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I'm with you on paying off the cc monthly. However, I use it for everything including gas and groceries. the points SO and I earn pays for vacation airfare every year.
We pay ours off every month, and use it for everything too. We get the cash back option, a nice amount.
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Old 08-02-2013, 03:11 PM   #69
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Hmmm....perhaps I should look into a rewards type CC.
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Old 08-02-2013, 03:33 PM   #70
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We pay ours off every month, and use it for everything too. We get the cash back option, a nice amount.
Same here, but no cash, just "Canadian Tire money on the card" and PC points which can be used in those stores. Almost as good as cash, since I buy a lot of stuff at Canadian Tire and various grocery stores under the PC banner.
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