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Old 02-15-2016, 10:06 AM   #31
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I'm not referring to this single thread. You've said many things and posted many links about these topics.
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Old 02-15-2016, 10:11 AM   #32
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Unfortunately this is a woefully misleading and inadequate term that tries to deride everything that is outside science, i.e. not amenable to being proved in a lab. You seem to imply I am deluded when I am a realist, i.e. I am very wary of being duped (don't foster beliefs as such) but I do acknowledge those that can be led that way.
I did not invent the definition. It is what it is.
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Old 02-15-2016, 10:23 AM   #33
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I did not invent the definition. It is what it is.
Yes, woefully blinkered.

Never mind, I delight in a transformed life....
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So now you wrongly misquote me? I have said that the pans in question emit fumes. This is a fact. Where have I said that GM products are not safe? Again another illogical assumption. There is much that can be said about the GM issue but this is not the place.

Re. organic food, here in UK, it has to be labelled. Perhaps you have a different system in US?
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Used properly, nonstick pans do not give off fumes. You are simply wrong in this. You would only be correct if you insisted on misusing them.

I've never been all that hot on organic foods either. As I see it, it's paying more for what is usually no better quality. If the actual quality is better in a certain product, then I'm willing to spend more for it, but that is a rare case.

I guess I have to say that I've never found a need "transform" my life. I live life as it comes, and so far, it's come along nicely. There have been some bumps in the road, but I have pretty good suspension, so they haven't thrown me off track.
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Used properly, nonstick pans do not give off fumes. You are simply wrong in this. You would only be correct if you insisted on misusing them.

I've never been all that hot on organic foods either. As I see it, it's paying more for what is usually no better quality. If the actual quality is better in a certain product, then I'm willing to spend more for it, but that is a rare case.

I guess I have to say that I've never found a need "transform" my life. I live life as it comes, and so far, it's come along nicely. There have been some bumps in the road, but I have pretty good suspension, so they haven't thrown me off track.
Let's be clear. Non stick pans CAN give off fumes but not if used correctly. Personally the PFOA element turns me off totally from using such a product. I prefer more natural containers.

How do you assess 'no better quality' of organic foods? I guess you don't mind your food being sprayed with synthetic pesticides and chemical fertilisers then. Your choice.
Clear differences between organic and non-organic food, study finds | Environment | The Guardian

I felt a need to transform my life when I became clinically depressed, i.e. found it hard to put one foot in front of the other - to walk. I got myself out of that hole, without drugs, support (I had moved away from friends to be near my college) and by embracing the power of positive thinking and exercising freewill (which were, then, alien to my fatalistic mindset). Never looked back!


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Old 02-15-2016, 01:18 PM   #36
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How do you assess 'no better quality' of organic foods? I guess you don't mind your food being sprayed with synthetic pesticides and chemical fertilisers then. Your choice.
I don't, actually, since they are at least as safe, and in some cases safer, than pesticides approved for use by organic farmers.

https://www.geneticliteracyproject.o...dely-use-them/

http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/92/1/203.long

https://risk-monger.blogactiv.eu/201...ganic-farming/

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...l-agriculture/
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From the article: "Tom Sanders, a professor of nutrition at King's College London, said the research did show some differences. "But the question is are they within natural variation? And are they nutritionally relevant? I am not convinced." He said Leifert's work had caused controversy in the past. "Leifert has had a lot of aggro with a lot of people. He is oversexing [this report] a bit." Sanders also noted that the research showed organic cereals have less protein than conventional crops."
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I don't, actually, since they are at least as safe, and in some cases safer, than pesticides approved for use by organic farmers.
Haha...one of your links is from a genetic company...hmm. Biaised? Much?

Nothing to do with safety - I just prefer to eat as naturally as possible!
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Let's be clear. Non stick pans CAN give off fumes but not if used correctly. Personally the PFOA element turns me off totally from using such a product. I prefer more natural containers.

How do you assess 'no better quality' of organic foods? I guess you don't mind your food being sprayed with synthetic pesticides and chemical fertilisers then. Your choice.
Clear differences between organic and non-organic food, study finds | Environment | The Guardian

I felt a need to transform my life when I became clinically depressed, i.e. found it hard to put one foot in front of the other - to walk. I got myself out of that hole, without drugs, support (I had moved away from friends to be near my college) and by embracing the power of positive thinking and exercising freewill (which were, then, alien to my fatalistic mindset). Never looked back!


I married into a farm family. My father-in-law was the first farmer in this region to use anhydrous ammonia fertilizer, and it completely changed his way of looking at growing wheat and corn. His pioneering led to a change in the way the entire region was farmed.

He sprays for pests only when spraying is necessary because it's an extra cost. He doesn't farm any more himself, although he still lives on the farm and takes an active part in the efforts of the brothers who now lease his land. They are now using a manure compost mixture for fertilizer that they get from the many beef feed lots in the area, but any pest control is still done with FDA approved pesticides.

I understand better than I ever did what a tight margin there is between success and failure in farming, and the added cost of trying to grow organically would bankrupt him. Keep in mind that I am talking about dry land grain farming - wheat, corn and millet - no irrigation is possible. He is totally dependent on rainfall and around here it can be hit or miss. The average profit margin is minuscule. If everyone was as focused as you are on organics, he would be out of business, because he could not afford to farm that way.
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We can't feed the world without fertilizer. I recall a comment on the radio that we could only produce about half of the food we currently produce if synthetic fertilizers weren't invented, but here is a link on that topic.

https://www.ipni.net/ppiweb/bcrops.nsf/$webindex/0022BBC19C02604A852575C50062FBB7/$file/BC09-2p12.pdf
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