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Old 02-20-2008, 01:49 PM   #51
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My knives are not be as sharp as yours. They are very sharp and perform all the tasks I ask of them with ease. I could even sharpen them sharper but do not. They are as sharp as I need them to be to prepare ingredients for cooking.

As much as I'd like to argue with you, I have to concede you're right. My knives may be sharper than they need to be, especially the ones I take to work. I let two guys at work use my 24 cm Tojiro gyuto and both cut themselves with it, one badly enough that he had to go to the ER. It baffles me how they did it (well, one guy knocked it off the counter and tried to catch it- not a good idea...not a good idea at all).

I guess a diehard knife geek gets a knife that sharp simply because he can. There is a point beyond which you're probably wasting your time- for me that point is where the edge is too thin to hold up. But up to that point I feel that sharper is better.

It might be fun to see how sharp I can get a German one, just for kicks. They're not hard enough to take down to the angles that Japanese style blades use, but they can get pretty sharp. Actually, come to think of it, I do sharpen my Henckles santoku @ 15 degrees per side and it seems to hold up pretty well. Although I also don't use it for heavy duty work, just stuff like boneless chix breasts and dicing onions. I'm not sure how it would stand up to splitting lobsters but a santoku isn't really ideal for that, anyway.
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Old 02-20-2008, 02:24 PM   #52
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I sharpen my Pro S knives with thinner blades to 17 degrees (Carving, utility and paring knives). They seem to hold that edge well. For the heavier blades, the chef's knives, I use a slightly wider angle.
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Old 02-20-2008, 02:42 PM   #53
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Btw, if you have a good source for $5.00 sautee pans that conduct heat evenly and don't stick I'd love to know it. I'd buy a dozen of them. Or maybe a hundred of them and resell them for $15.00 each!

I am in the category of people who consider non-stick pans to be disposable. I buy inexpensive ones and don't feel guilty when they lose their utility and I have to toss them. Others believe it's wiser to spend lots more to buy a quality pan that will last longer.

I look for heavy aluminum pans with a non-stick coating. I have bought a 3-pack of 8", 10" and 12" pans for $20. The 8" gets used most and just got replaced with a $5 pan from the Christmas Tree Shop, a local chain that sells just about everything under the sun that other companies and or stores don't want anymore.
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Old 02-20-2008, 02:46 PM   #54
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.. Same as a Ferrari is better than my Infiniti. I don't have to drive the Ferrari to acknowledge that.

LOL!

Don't bet on it, Andy.

What I gather from people who work on exotic cars is ... Don't count on them. For all they cost and all the pretty there be Cooties under them thar skirts!

That's why the owners of Exotic cars also own a Chevy, or Rolls.


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Sorry for the rant, but I get the feeling sometimes that you all won't rest until I switch to Japanese knives.
Heres a thing ....

I'm pretty much a tool junkey.

I needed a new router. I looked at the brands, evaluated, and made my purchase.

Then I get on this wood working forum and the tool snobs come out spewing how this router is better than that router and blah blah, and I started looking at my tooling ... differently. I started thinking that mayhaps I made a mistake.

Then one day I went to use the router and had the thought it was second rate .... then I thought, I was completely happy with my Router till I started reading what the tool snobs were writing about it.

That was the last time I felt 'bad' about my router. Fact is, I feel pretty good about it.

And I didn't spend 2~3 times the amount to get something that MAY 'work' 2% 'better' and yield the same results.
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Hmmm...my dad had his own construction business for about 40 years. In my early years working with him I came to feel that good tools were well worth the money. Now I'm talking 14 hour days of heavy use, and I'll qualify this that I'm not an expert at finish work (like cabinetry), but I generally find better power tools to make most jobs easier. I guess I dunno if a router that cost 3 times as much is even twice as good, but cheap tools cost you in the long run.

In contrast to things like routers, I've never met anyone who replaced their German knives with Euro-style Japanese ones for any reasonable length of time and ever voluntarily went back.
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...Read the book, Rising Sun by Michael Crichton, and see how you feel about purchasing their products afterwards.

You realize this is a work of fiction, right? I saw the movie with Sean Connery some years ago.
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You realize this is a work of fiction, right? I saw the movie with Sean Connery some years ago.
I've seen the movie also. Read the book, trying hard not to picture Sean Connery and Wesley Snipes when you're reading it!

And remember, all myths are based in fact!
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Read the book, Rising Sun by Michael Crichton, and see how you feel about purchasing their products afterwards.
I'll purchase non-Japanese kitchen knives when American or European manufacturers match the performance. So far I haven't seen any.
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I've seen the movie also. Read the book, trying hard not to picture Sean Connery and Wesley Snipes when you're reading it!

And remember, all myths are based in fact!

...and in this case, that fact could be that Japanese businessmen occasionally appear sinister and they are beating our pants off in the marketplace so let's make them look bad.
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Japanese?

Your kidding, Right?

Couple of decades late for complaining about the Japanese, dontchya think?

Our most imminent danger is from Cooperate Business people and their responsibility laying only to investors and profits.
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