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Old 07-30-2017, 08:26 AM   #1
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Need Advice on Size of Canner To Buy

This looks like a good place to get some advice. I have canned a few times before, I have had great success with apple butter. Money can't buy the quality apple butter that you can make at home.
I want to step up to green beans so I understand I need to pressure can these. The green beans just sprouted in my garden so I have some time to decide which pressure canner to buy.
The huge All American 930, 30 Quart will hold 14 quart jars, I guess the jars must be stacked to hold that many.
My question is this: Could I can with this model with only 7 quart jars at a time? Or do I have to load two layers?
And could I can a small batch of pint jars with this huge canner?

And I don't know about the principles of the water level. For pressure canning, is it best not to cover the jars completely with water?

Is it ok to put just a few inches of water? (I know you cannot let all the water steam out of the pot or there will be some disaster).

Is it ok to completely submerse the jars for pressure canning? I am thinking that more water would require more energy and longer time to get up to pressure.

So to sum up, I am considering this large one, hoping it can be used for small or large batches for pressure canning green beans.

Thanks in advance for your comments.

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Old 07-30-2017, 10:57 AM   #2
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Hi and welcome to Discuss Cooking

I don't have experience with pressure canner (I water-bath can), but there are others here who do. I'm sure someone will be along to respond. In the meantime, here are a couple of resources to get you started. I suggest you use only recipes that have been tested and approved by the USDA, the National Center for Home Food Preservation or the Ball Canning Company.

http://nchfp.uga.edu/publications/ug...s_canners.html

http://nchfp.uga.edu/how/can_04/beans_snap_italian.html
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Old 07-30-2017, 11:29 AM   #3
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Which pressure canner to buy?
I have one that does 7 qts and 8-9 pints, that one is heavy, and heavier with water in it. It is large to find a place to store it.

Can you do a partially full canner? I don't know.

How much water should go in it? Enough so the jars are half submerged. There must also be air in it.

Should you stack jars? I don't. It seems like a complication no one needs.

If you decide to get the super large, stackable kind, it might be just the right solution for a co-operatively used kitchen for a community or group.

How long does it take for a canner that holds 7 qts, to come up to temperature, pressure can, and cool down each time. The other day I started pressure canning at 10 am, I ran three batches of cans through it. I finished about 9 or 10 pm. So it averages out to about 4 hours for each batch beginning to end.
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Old 07-31-2017, 12:11 AM   #4
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This looks like a good place to get some advice. I have canned a few times before, I have had great success with apple butter. Money can't buy the quality apple butter that you can make at home.
I want to step up to green beans so I understand I need to pressure can these. The green beans just sprouted in my garden so I have some time to decide which pressure canner to buy.
The huge All American 930, 30 Quart will hold 14 quart jars, I guess the jars must be stacked to hold that many.
My question is this: Could I can with this model with only 7 quart jars at a time? Or do I have to load two layers?
And could I can a small batch of pint jars with this huge canner?

And I don't know about the principles of the water level. For pressure canning, is it best not to cover the jars completely with water?

Is it ok to put just a few inches of water? (I know you cannot let all the water steam out of the pot or there will be some disaster).

Is it ok to completely submerse the jars for pressure canning? I am thinking that more water would require more energy and longer time to get up to pressure.

So to sum up, I am considering this large one, hoping it can be used for small or large batches for pressure canning green beans.

Thanks in advance for your comments.
I have the smaller All American as the larger one would not clear my under the counter microwave.
I have canned with one level of jars and I have canned small batches. I fill empty canning jars with water to get a tighter fit and prevent jars from breaking when jostled around.
The unit comes with great instructions and someone just wrote a book dedicated to this particular canner. I have the book but haven't looked through it yet.
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Old 07-31-2017, 07:44 AM   #5
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The following is the latest and greatest Ball Book on Canning. I would suggest you buy it and treat it like the bible it is for canning.


https://www.freshpreserving.com/ball...1991x801243303


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The following is the latest and greatest Ball Book on Canning. I would suggest you buy it and treat it like the bible it is for canning.


https://www.freshpreserving.com/ball...1991x801243303


Welcome to DC. If you have a question, we have an answer. In fact we have so many answers to just one question, your head will spin.
I love that book and always look for new editions but THIS one I consider to be the go to book.

https://www.freshpreserving.com/ball...1033975VM.html
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Old 07-31-2017, 11:54 AM   #7
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I love that book and always look for new editions but THIS one I consider to be the go to book.

https://www.freshpreserving.com/ball...1033975VM.html
Amazon doesn't print the date of the latest edition or publication. And there are often a lot of changes from one publication to the next. Ball Canning Books are not expensive, so it would be advisable for anyone who is new to canning to build up a library of their books.
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Amazon doesn't print the date of the latest edition or publication. And there are often a lot of changes from one publication to the next. Ball Canning Books are not expensive, so it would be advisable for anyone who is new to canning to build up a library of their books.
That's one option, but it's not the only one. I have six canning/preserving books and none of them are by Ball.
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I'm not one to throw money at a problem. A problem like needing a recipe. In this day and age, we have lots of internet sources. Not all of them are good but if you try to find tested recipes from good sources, you've got a recipe.

Am I one to buy books? Yes, sadly, I have thousands of books and I wish I didn't. I need to sell them, pass them on, recycle them, dispose of them. I love books but with information changing all the time, on what is safe canning or good practices, it's on the internet.
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Another thing you want to look at when buying a huge canner is whether your stove burners will support it. if you have a glass topped stove, check with the manufacturer--some won't support it, some shut off burners if they have been too hot for too long.

Yes, you can stack jars, with a rack or towel in between. The canner will tell you how many quarts of water you need for canning. My Mirro takes 3 quarts, I think. No, do not submerge the quart jars.

My philosophy about the AA canners is that they are the Cadillacs. They look nice, but a Presto or Mirro will do the same job for way less money. AAs don't have a gasket to replace, but I only replace my gaskets when they get stiff or cracked--maybe once every 10 years. The AA is tall enough to do water bath canning, or you can use a big stockpot or enamel canner (very cheap, but they don't last long if you bang them around.)


The links Got Garlic posted are essential. If you read thru that material, you will be ready to can safely. Follow instructions exactly--no shortcuts.
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