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Constance 04-27-2008 12:01 PM

Roundup
 
When I had the greenhouses, I used Roundup a lot to control weeds out on the lots where I had plants displayed during warm weather. As for the amphibians? Frogs hatched out in the water puddles and toads frequented the perennial row.
My husband, who was first mine manager and then, after the mine closed, reclaimation foreman of a large strip mine (coal), also used a lot of it, as it was approved by the EPA. And let me tell you, the EPA watches the strip mines like a hawk, because of the run-off into public water supplies.

But after reading what BuckyTom said about Roundup, I thought I'd best check it out, as I wouldn't want to advise use of any dangerous chemicals in the garden, and since I've been out of the business for going on 8 years now, I figured there might be some new information out there...and there is.

First of all, here are the stats on the chemical...
glyphosate (Roundup) Chemical Profile

I then looked at this piece...
The Roundup Myth


What I get from this is that the surfactant (the ingredient that makes the chemical water soluable) was the culprit, so it must be used with one that is safe for wetlands. The strength of the mix is also a factor. If you use the pre-mixed stuff, both problems are eliminated.

Keep in mind that what we are talking about here are small controlled sprayings, not aerial application over large areas. Massive amounts of any kind of runoff can have ill effects, even fertilizer or cow manure.

For me, Roundup has been a valuable helper, and there have been no ill effects. The frogs still sing a chorus from the pond behind us, and I haven't seen any three-legged ones.

sparrowgrass 04-28-2008 11:57 AM

Roundup is pretty non-toxic--basically a mixture of salts. I use it on poison ivy, and once in while on other weeds.

I don't use it in my veggie garden--I go for non-chemical solutions to problems there. Mostly because mulch and weeding is better for the soil than adding salts.

Uncle Bob 04-28-2008 12:16 PM

It's good stuff!! Best "weed eater" that was ever made....Ya don't have to crank it!!!!:ermm:

Maverick2272 04-28-2008 12:41 PM

DW uses it in her gardening business, but it is banned (by me) from our own property. We also never use it in veggie gardens and tell clients the same thing. It is not always how much you use alone, but how much you and your 200 neighbors use as well. For those in the country you have more to worry about from what is being sprayed from the tractors than what a neighbor might put on his garden. But here in suburbia, right next to the city, you have to consider the cumulative effect, something not covered in most studies.
I think this is often a fallacy in studies. They study the effects of one person using the chemical and determine it is below safety limits and OK. I say study the effect of 200 people in a neighborhood using the chemical and see if you get the same results.
Maybe you will, maybe you won't, but for now I wanna play it safe.

Leolady 04-28-2008 12:46 PM

Me too Maverick!

I am an organic gardener myself!

sparrowgrass 04-29-2008 03:49 PM

I would use nuclear weapons on poison ivy if I thought it would help. Roundup is more available, however.

Maverick2272 04-29-2008 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparrowgrass (Post 596111)
I would use nuclear weapons on poison ivy if I thought it would help. Roundup is more available, however.

Could ya give me fair warning before using the nukes so I can hop a flight out of here first?
:lol:


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