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taxlady 12-18-2013 01:54 AM

Killing surface germs on meat
 
This is a bit unusual, because I'm not talking about food for humans, but food for cats & dogs. There are a lot of people advocating a raw diet for dogs and cats. There are other peopled who are very concerned about micro-organisms.

I was wondering, if one were to dip raw meat in boiling water, how long would it take to kill the germs on the surface of the meat? Would killing surface micro-organisms give me fairly sterile meat?

Does anyone have any suggestions or links to where I would find that kind of info?

no mayonnaise 12-18-2013 02:43 AM

I use bleach.

GotGarlic 12-18-2013 05:44 AM

I would ask the vet.

pacanis 12-18-2013 05:55 AM

If the food is not spoiled, and probably even if it slightly were, just feed it to them raw and don't worry about it.
Your vet will not know the answer as he probably sells expensive prescription diets that would better be "the answer"... for him $$$
Any type of cooking will make the food harder for he pet to digest and lose nutritional value (just like for us), but it's the digestion part that bothers me. You are defeating one of the main reasons for feeding a raw diet to do any type of cooking.

CraigC 12-18-2013 06:25 AM

Dogs and cats (pets) probably don't have the same gut flora and fauna as their wild relatives. Meat that may be on the down side of "fresh", which wild relatives can handle, could be a problem. I would never feed raw meat to the pugs.

GotGarlic 12-18-2013 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by pacanis (Post 1328064)
If the food is not spoiled, and probably even if it slightly were, just feed it to them raw and don't worry about it.
Your vet will not know the answer as he probably sells expensive prescription diets that would better be "the answer"... for him $$$
Any type of cooking will make the food harder for he pet to digest and lose nutritional value (just like for us), but it's the digestion part that bothers me. You are defeating one of the main reasons for feeding a raw diet to do any type of cooking.

In many cases, cooking makes foods safer, easier for people to digest, and sometimes changes the chemical form of nutrients to make them easier for the body to absorb. That's why we do it :smile:

jennyema 12-18-2013 08:10 AM

My dogs ate poop.

I wouldn't worry about meat sourced from a reputable seller.

pacanis 12-18-2013 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GotGarlic (Post 1328067)
In many cases, cooking makes foods safer, easier for people to digest, and sometimes changes the chemical form of nutrients to make them easier for the body to absorb. That's why we do it :smile:

My response was in reference to Taxy's post.
Cooking food makes it harder to digest for animals.
IMO if you dip meat into boiling water long enough to affect any surface bacteria, you are probably keeping it there long enough to "par-cook" the outside. Therefore, that "skin" is going to be harder for them to digest.

So many people have no clue of what they are doing feeding raw. If you are cooking any of the food at all, you are not feeding raw. You are losing part of the benefits of feeding raw.

Craig, Dogs and cats who are pets have exactly the same digestive system as their wild cousins. It's why they can go back to being feral, cats more quickly, if they are abandoned.

The reason these pet food companies recall food because of salmonella isn't for the pets' safety, it's for the people pulling that chicken jerky treat out of the bag and not washing their hands afterwards. Pets' stomach acids are too strong for them to get many of the things that affect us.

GotGarlic 12-18-2013 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by pacanis (Post 1328082)
My response was in reference to Taxy's post.
Cooking food makes it harder to digest for animals...

I realize that part of it was; I was talking about the part where you said "just like for us":

"Any type of cooking will make the food harder for he pet to digest and lose nutritional value (just like for us)"

pacanis 12-18-2013 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GotGarlic (Post 1328085)
I realize that part of it was; I was talking about the part where you said "just like for us":

"Any type of cooking will make the food harder for he pet to digest and lose nutritional value (just like for us)"

Ahhh, I was not clear. :sad:
The "(just like us)" was in reference to losing nutritional value.
But in comparing us to pets, what we lack in stomach acids we make up for in the length of our digestive tract compared to theirs. That's why we can digest veggies and get nutrition from them and they cannot unless they are pulped first or already partially digested.


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