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Old 11-02-2015, 10:44 AM   #21
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In my case, it's about thrift. I don't want to waste the water I poached the chicken in, so I save it and add it to soup (along with stock) or stew (instead of water) or use it to make rice. I don't use it by itself for soup.
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Old 11-02-2015, 11:07 AM   #22
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I never use carrots. I take the advice of Thomas Keller (French Laundry). He writes that carrots are "flavor sponges" which absorb a lot of flavor. Especially in delicate flavored broths/stocks. When the carrots are discarded a lot of flavor is ending up in the garbage.
Thomas Keller may be a great chef but he is not a food scientist. I just re-read the section of Shirley Corriher's book "Cookwise" on making chicken stock. She uses carrots. If they soaked up flavor, I'm sure she would have mentioned it.

Since you don't use carrots, you won't see the orange tinge they give to stock. That's beta carotene, baby, infused into the stock! Good stuff
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Old 11-02-2015, 11:12 AM   #23
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If the stock is made from fish, it is called a fume'.
Actually, that's fumet. (Sorry, Chief, it's my inner copy editor )
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Actually, that's fumet. (Sorry, Chief, it's my inner copy editor )
That's what I thought, but I didn't feel like using up any spoons looking it up to make sure I was remembering correctly.
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Old 11-02-2015, 05:20 PM   #25
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Actually, that's fumet. (Sorry, Chief, it's my inner copy editor )
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Old 11-03-2015, 09:31 AM   #26
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I like to make 'chicken veloute' soup. Served with very thin sliced cold medallions of prawn butter spread on fresh baguette.
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Old 11-03-2015, 04:06 PM   #27
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Does the phrase 'bone broth' set anyone else's teeth on edge? Broth made from bones with no meat would be pretty flavorless, if you ask me, but the 'bone broth' proponents talk like it is the nectar of the gods and will cure anything that ails you. :)

I want my stock made with meaty chunks of bone, carrots, onions and celery.
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Old 11-03-2015, 04:31 PM   #28
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Does the phrase 'bone broth' set anyone else's teeth on edge? Broth made from bones with no meat would be pretty flavorless, if you ask me, but the 'bone broth' proponents talk like it is the nectar of the gods and will cure anything that ails you. :)

I want my stock made with meaty chunks of bone, carrots, onions and celery.
It is the marrow in the bones that gives it flavor.
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Does the phrase 'bone broth' set anyone else's teeth on edge? Broth made from bones with no meat would be pretty flavorless, if you ask me, but the 'bone broth' proponents talk like it is the nectar of the gods and will cure anything that ails you. :)

I want my stock made with meaty chunks of bone, carrots, onions and celery.

Yes, I agree. Ridiculous.
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It is the marrow in the bones that gives it flavor.
It's partly that and partly the collagen in the connective tissue that melts and becomes gelatin. The gelatin also gives body to the stock.

And yes, the term bone broth is ridiculous. It's just stock.
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The last chicken stock I made was from rotisserie chickens. I just threw the bones and skins in a crockpot with some water.
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Chicken broth in crock-pot, help

Rotisserie carcasses make excellent stock. I add onion, celery, and carrot to mine, along with dried thyme. The CP works well.
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When I make my Chicken flavored liquid

I use whatever bones & scraps I've saved in the freezer.
I don't add anything but water and chicken parts.
I figure I'll spice it up for whatever it's used in when it's used.
I crack the bones because I desire the flavor and gelatin it causes.
Reduce the liquid.
Chill
Remove the fat from the top
Use and/or package for freezing.

I was always taught you don't boil the "flavored liquid"

Something to do with the fat emulsifies with the water and the "flavored liquid" you'll get is less clear.

So I simmer and don't boil.

I think a Crock Pot would be very good for this. Sorry to bring us back on topic.
Never used my crock pot to make "flavored liquid" but perhaps I should give it a try.

Hmmm.... Toss it in the crock and let it go for it.
My only concern is that a crockpot isn't for reduction of liquid and that's sorta the desired result here. But if it cooks long enough it will reduce.
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Zagut, I do the same when I make meat flavoured liquid. I make a separate vegi "stock" out of onion skins, carrot peels, etc. and add some of that when I use the meat flavoured liquid.
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I think I figured out why people talk about "bone broth". A lot of people differentiate stock and broth by use: stock is an ingredient and broth is for sipping or eating with a spoon. (Not my definitions)
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I think I figured out why people talk about "bone broth". A lot of people differentiate stock and broth by use: stock is an ingredient and broth is for sipping or eating with a spoon. (Not my definitions)
I use my "stock" as the "broth" for a soup like chicken noodle soup. I'll add fresh diced carrot and celery along with diced chicken and when the veggies are cooked, then I'll add the noodles and finish with some parsley. Most of the flavor was already there in the "stock".

I use that same "stock" more often when I cook rice, as I think that plain rice is bland and uninteresting. I always cook it in stock, often with a teaspoon of bouillon, plus sautéed onion and/or garlic, or any other goodies I want to add to it. I will often stir in mushrooms browned golden in butter at the end of the rice cooking.

By the way, my stock is not clear like consommé, it's cloudy and I don't really care because it tastes good. I'm the last person in the world to see food as art.
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...By the way, my stock is not clear like consommé, it's cloudy and I don't really care because it tastes good. I'm the last person in the world to see food as art.

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Old 11-06-2015, 08:45 AM   #38
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chicken broth in crock pot, help

I use, per 5 litres water, 2 fresh chicken quarters (leg and thigh), and I tie my vegetables and herbs - fresh bay leaf, parsley, thyme - into a bundle (except the onion), I simmer it for three to four hours, lid on, checking frequently. I like a concentrated stock. I season at the end of cooking. You can use the chicken meat in other dishes. I often use it in a chicken and mushroom pie. I find that the less you 'hurry' a stock, the better it gets. You can reduce it down further and freeze in the ice cube tray.

In my experience, using boneless chicken will give you a lighter broth which is equally delicious.

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