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Raine 03-17-2005 11:34 AM

Barbeque vs Grilling
 
This is a term and technique that is way too often misundertood or been diluted.

BBQ no matter how you spell it is a method of long/slow cooking over wood coals.

It is not a device you cook on.

It is not sauce.

Grilling is cooking high heat and fast, no matter what the heat source.

buckytom 03-17-2005 12:44 PM

i can't agree enough rainee. i am a griller; food is cooked directly over coals. i would love to learn the art of the 'cue, but i never have enough time. over the years, an old friend and i have done whole pigs and lambs on a spit, low and slow, but it was over coals, so i'm not sure what you would call that.

i have recently started to use all hardwood charcoal for grilling. i think kingsford sells it now in bags. and i use the newspaper chimney method to get them started. you can't beat the taste over real coals, not briquettes or (gasp) propane, and there's no chemical taste from the lighter fluid. propane grilling has it's merits like temp control, but you might as well just move your stove outside. also, i hate when someone starts their charcoal with a whole bottle of lighter fluid. the food cooked on it taste's terrible, even after the coals are all ash.
charcoal briquettes are ok, but all hardwood is the way to go for flavor. the briquettes are especially susceptible to the bad taste of lighter fluid, but do burn longer. a mix of a few briquettes and hardwood charcoal would help the grill burn more evenly.

Raine 03-17-2005 01:57 PM

Kingford has a lot of filler these days. Try to find some lump charcoal.

DampCharcoal 03-17-2005 02:14 PM

I've used lump hardwood charcoal and it burned incredibly hot. Did I do something wrong? :?

buckytom 03-17-2005 02:14 PM

yep, that's what i meant, lump charcoal. it's just chunks of charred hardwood, no fillers, coal, or other combustibles. smells just like a campfire, and the food cooked on it is delicious.

Raine 03-17-2005 02:17 PM

No DC, lump burns a little hotter.

buckytom 03-17-2005 02:33 PM

and it burns out a lot faster too, so you may have to add some to keep it going. or like i said, mix in a few briquettes to stretch it out.

jennyema 03-17-2005 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainee
Grilling is cooking high heat and fast, no matter what the heat source.


Then sauteeing would be grilling. Or microwaving.

Most definitions of "grill" that I have seen either refer to the noun form as a device, a metal grate used to cook food over a direct heat source; or to the verb form, to cook food on a metal grate over a direct heat source. But I'll try to look it up in LG soon.

You're right, BBQ is not a device, but a "BBQ grill" is.

Lump charcoal is the only way to go for me. TJ's sells "Cowboy" brand at good prices.

When the 2 feet of snow melts maybe I'll drag the old girl back out!

marmalady 03-17-2005 03:22 PM

Rainee, I think the term 'BBQ' is one of those 'crossover' terms I was talking about in another topic.

Yes, you're absolutely right in your definition of 'low and slow', but I think it's just become common use to say 'let's BBQ some hot dogs Sunday' !

Raine 03-17-2005 03:37 PM

However, cooking on a bbq grill, doesn't make it BBQ.

Raine 03-17-2005 03:39 PM

Marm, that is because the term got diluted. From people looking to take short cuts, or companies trying to make a buck and enlarge their customer base.

That is exactly why I think we need to clear it up.

jennyema 03-17-2005 03:40 PM

Not necessarily, true, but it could be, right?


BTW ... being from NC, do you have a good mop sauce for pulled pork?

Raine 03-17-2005 03:43 PM

depends on what you cook, and how you cook it.

Like I said, it is a method.

We don't mop, but probably can come up with a couple.

jennyema 03-17-2005 03:50 PM

Maybe what I want isn't a "mop" but a vinegar-based sauce that you sorta mix with the meat or squirt on after.

htc 03-17-2005 07:06 PM

I'm probably in the minority here, but when I use the term BBQ, it's a reference to a outdoor party at my place or my brother's place. What we cook and how we cook can vary drastically, depending on the day.

I rarely use the term "grilling", even though I have a gas grill and that's probably the correct term to use for the foods I cook on it. Bottom line: whether it's a grill or BBQ, just tell me where and when, and I'm there. :)

Raine 03-17-2005 08:03 PM

In the South that social event would be called a pig pickin'. Of course, a whole hog would have been cooked(bbq), and everybody would show up the next day and eat. So, if you say you are having a bbq you'd better be serving bbq, or you will have some PO'd guests.

Grilling is refered to as cook out. Cook out means, hamburgers, hotdogs, steaks, etc

Raine 03-17-2005 08:50 PM

We are a little leary of cowboy lump. It hasn't gotten very high marks from the competition circle and other bbq fans.


check out this site on the different brands of lump.

lump

Raine 03-17-2005 09:20 PM

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Alix 03-17-2005 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marmalady
Rainee, I think the term 'BBQ' is one of those 'crossover' terms I was talking about in another topic.

Yes, you're absolutely right in your definition of 'low and slow', but I think it's just become common use to say 'let's BBQ some hot dogs Sunday' !

I am with you on this one marmalady. I know Rainee doesn't agree with me and that is just fine. If I used the word "grilling" or the term "cook out" here, well people would think I was nuts. If I said "Come over for a BBQ" everyone would know what I was talking about. I am well aware of what the term means to many of you south of the border, but we are more flexible about it here. I am so glad we have a "Cross Over Term" thread going, I think this one is a perfect example.

Raine 03-17-2005 10:38 PM

Bet if you started they would catch on.

Michael in FtW 03-18-2005 01:22 AM

LOL ... guess I wont start a discussion on that disgusting yellow glop they call BBQ sauce in the Carolina's and Florida as compared to what the rest of the world considers as BBQ sauce. :lol:

Hungry 03-18-2005 03:40 AM

Bbq
 
Just for kicks I just GOOGLED "BBQ":lol:

Only 5,790,000 hits:!:

Interesting site was redwood.com.
Neat displays but very slow loading with a dial up connection. Probably faster with broadband?

Here is a blurb on a contest someon may be interested in:

https://bbq.about.com/gi/dynamic/offs...dwoodCreek.com

Beginning May 1st through June 15th 2005, amateur outdoor cooking aficionados can go to RedwoodCreek.com to enter their best campfire recipe. Five finalists will be selected to participate in the Campfire Classic in the New York City, July 2005. The best campfire chef will take home a $10,000 adventure grant plus a $5,000 donation to the national park of their designation.

Enjoy,
Charlie

marmalady 03-18-2005 06:51 AM

Jenny - look in'sauces' - I posted hubbie's family recipe for NC vinegar sauce!

Raine 03-18-2005 08:33 AM

Have never tasted a mustard sauce we like.

kitchenelf 03-18-2005 12:01 PM

Michael - don't you put that yellow gloppy stuff off on us!!!!! LOL Isn't the mustart stuff more Kansas City?

We do a vinegar based sauce here.

jennyema 03-18-2005 12:02 PM

Marm and Rainee -- thanks for the recipes!!

I have been told that my pulled pork is very good but I am always experimenting.

Also, Rainee, thanks for the link regarding lump charcoal. The thing is ... it is actually not that easy to find up here. And i have never seen any of the brands in the link, except for Cowboy and Whole Foods.

Maybe Andy M or GB have seen any of those other brands around???? If you have, let me know where because I am dying to try them!

Raine 03-18-2005 12:09 PM

Mustard base is SC style.
KC is thicker, sweeter, tomato, possibly hotter style.

GB 03-18-2005 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jennyema
Maybe Andy M or GB have seen any of those other brands around???? If you have, let me know where because I am dying to try them!

I have not, but I will keep my eyes open for you!

I have to admit that I use a gas grill (gasp). I do prefer charcoal, but convenience won out when I went to buy my grill. I still have a charcoal kettle, but I have not touched it once since I started using my gas grill.

kitchenelf 03-18-2005 12:36 PM

LOL GB - I understand the convenience thing - I got a charcoal grill (big sucker) last year and use my gas grill to set my chimneys on while my charcoal gets hot! lol I had to get 4 chimneys because my grill is so big. I've got to get some kind of aluminum pan (haven't found one quite big enough yet) to only heat up a smaller area of the grill. 20 minutes and the coals are good to go - so it's not too bad.

The Z 03-18-2005 03:57 PM

Interesting topic... I always accepted "Barbeque" as one of those oddities of our language that was simply interchange-able... Never thought it had an actual and singular definition (Low and Slow Method)... interesting.

Learn something new every day I guess.

More information on the subject from Wikipedia;
Etymology

The word varies in spelling; variations include barbeque, BBQ, and Bar-B-Q. Smoky Hale, author of The Great American Barbecue and Grilling Manual traces the word back to its Caribbean roots in Taíno (one of the Arawak family of languages). In one form, barabicoa, it indicates a wooden grill, a mesh of sticks; in another, barabicu, it is a sacred fire pit. Traditional barbacoa implies digging a hole in the ground putting some meat (goat is the best, usually the whole animal) on it with a pot underneath (to catch the concentrated juices, it makes a hearty broth), cover all with maguey (cactus) leaves then cover with coal and set it in fire. A few hours later it is ready.

Raine 03-18-2005 05:04 PM

Barbecuing pork shoulders for Lexington, NC political rally, early 1930's. Open pit cooking.
https://img114.exs.cx/img114/1561/shoulders0gd.jpg

GB 03-18-2005 05:08 PM

That is a VERY cool picture. i love how they are wearing suits :)

Raine 03-18-2005 05:22 PM

Pit cooking whole pigs near Rocky Mount, NC 1944
https://img163.exs.cx/img163/9240/wholepig4pe.jpg

Raine 03-18-2005 05:38 PM

Don't know how they came out so dark. Lighten them up and reposted them. Hope you can seee them better now.

Andy M. 03-18-2005 05:40 PM

Jen:

Alas, I too have fallen prey to the evil "convenience" troll and use a gas grill. I keep thinking I should get a kettle and switch but I haven't pulled the trigger yet.

However, I have smoked some ribs and a pork roast on my gas grill with a tray of hickory chips. I got a great smokey flavor but I know it was a compromise.

Maybe the place to try would be a real grill/barbeque shop. One that has ALL the gear.

Raine 03-18-2005 05:45 PM

Go with a weber, you can't beat 'em for the money.
Kettle for grilling
WSM for smoking

Raine 03-18-2005 05:52 PM

Stamey's Lexington, NC
https://img163.exs.cx/img163/3079/stamey2qt.jpg

RPCookin 05-23-2005 05:49 PM

This seems to fit right in with this discussion. It is a quote from one of my cookbooks, "How to Grill" by Steven Raichlen. It is part of the intro to the book.

"The word barbecue means different things to different people, depending on where you live. On the East and West Coasts of the United States and in the Frost Belt and Canada, it describes any sort of live-fire cooking outdoors. In Texas, the South, and parts of the Midwest, it refers to a specific kind of meat that's slow cooked and heavily smoked, usually via the indirect method. Thus, to a North Carolinian, barbecue means pulled pork; to a Texan, beef brisket. Elsewhere, barbecue may refer to a piece of cooking equipment (the barbecue grill), a social gathering (for example, a church barbecue), or simply a meal outdoors."

Until I started getting into the subject, grilling and barbecue were interchangeable terms. For most of people I've known where I've lived (Minnesota, Montana, and Colorado), they still are. In these regions, only the purist makes a distinction. You can do barbecue fast (grilling), or slow (barbecue or smoking), but it's still covered under one generic term.

Sort of like my grandmother always called all cameras "Kodaks", regardless of the actual manufacturer. It's one of those terms that has taken on a colloquial meaning that varies greatly from region to region.

Andy M. 05-24-2005 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPCookin
...Sort of like my grandmother always called all cameras "Kodaks", regardless of the actual manufacturer. It's one of those terms that has taken on a colloquial meaning that varies greatly from region to region.

Please pass the kleenix, the xerox machine is broken! I guess I'll go make some jell-o and munch on some life savers until it's fixed. :smile:

GB 05-24-2005 11:04 AM

Are you going to wash that jell-o down with a coke?


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