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Hippieff 06-16-2014 03:06 PM

Flavour problems
 
Hey everyone,

I'm having huge flavour problems! I'm not a great cook and my method is to put my veggies in a big pot (kale, carrots, courgette...) with onion and garlic, add some pre-cooked brown rice, some chickpeas or kidney beans etc, then cover with water with two oxo cubes as I usually make two or three meals at once.
My big problem is the lack of flavour. I have tried:-

Bay leaves
Dried mixed herbs
Dried 5-spice
Sage
Fresh thyme
Fresh rosemary
Dried thyme
Dried paprika
Soy sauce

I've tried so many different things and yet no matter how much seasoning I add, it just tastes either bland or has a massive kick of chili but no other flavours. Can anyone help? I must be doing something wrong!

merstar 06-16-2014 03:14 PM

You need to saute the onion and garlic first in a little olive oil to extract more flavor. Also, crushing the garlic before chopping brings out more of the oils/flavor of the garlic.

Another possibility is that you're not adding enough salt to boost the other flavors.

Andy M. 06-16-2014 03:17 PM

First off, here in the US, an Oxo cube is enough to flavor a cup of water. So if you're only using two cups of water in the above scenario the problem is elsewhere.

Salt. Veggies need salt.

Addie 06-16-2014 03:28 PM

Do you have "Better Than Bullion" in England? It is a soup base that is used in restaurants. It is now available to the public here in the States. It has so much more flavor than Oxo cubes.

If not, then the lack of salt seem to be the consensus. And other suggestions regarding the garlic, etc. :angel:

cave76 06-16-2014 03:44 PM

If you don't have an aversion or an allergy to MSG then some Maggi Seasoning might help.

"In all cases, a little Maggi usually goes a long way. The sauce is full of umami-rich flavor and just a few drops can add depth to noodles, stir-fries, soups, and other dishes."

Ingredient Spotlight: Maggi Seasoning Sauce | The Kitchn

It also contains a fair amount of sodium but so does soy sauce in case that might be a deal breaker for you.

jennyema 06-16-2014 03:45 PM

SALT :chef:

GotGarlic 06-16-2014 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Addie (Post 1369238)
Do you have "Better Than Bullion" in England? It is a soup base that is used in restaurants. It is now available to the public here in the States. It has so much more flavor than Oxo cubes.

If not, then the lack of salt seem to be the consensus. And other suggestions regarding the garlic, etc. :angel:

Hi, Hippieff :smile: Welcome to DiscussCooking!

Are you intending to make a soup? How much water do you add? You may be diluting your flavors if you're adding too much water.

Some herbs and spices taste better when they are sautéed, or bloomed, in oil. Dice your onions and smash and mince your garlic. Heat some oil in the pan, then add the onions and garlic. Sprinkle lightly with salt and pepper and other seasonings you want to use; stir for about 5 minutes. Next, add ingredients that take longer to cook, such as the carrots, and sprinkle them lightly with salt and pepper. Lather, rinse, repeat :wink: This is called layering the dish with flavor. Every component needs to be seasoned.

Maggi Seasoning is great for boosting flavors. It does contain a fair amount of salt, but you only need a little bit to make food taste better. You could also add some sort of acid at the end of the cooking time: lemon or lime juice, or white wine or red wine or balsamic vinegar, can really brighten up the flavors in a dish.

Hope this helps.

Dawgluver 06-16-2014 04:46 PM

Flavour problems
 
Welcome to DC, Hippieff!

I see you are a vegan. Do you use chicken boullion or is it vegetable Oxo? I agree, salt, along with the other ideas posted. You might try sliced olives or capers added at the end, also pickled peppers, artichoke hearts. Ginger, red pepper flakes, some Srirachi sauce perhaps. Coconut milk.

Mad Cook 06-16-2014 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippieff (Post 1369227)
Hey everyone,

I'm having huge flavour problems! I'm not a great cook and my method is to put my veggies in a big pot (kale, carrots, courgette...) with onion and garlic, add some pre-cooked brown rice, some chickpeas or kidney beans etc, then cover with water with two oxo cubes as I usually make two or three meals at once.
My big problem is the lack of flavour. I have tried:-

Bay leaves
Dried mixed herbs
Dried 5-spice
Sage
Fresh thyme
Fresh rosemary
Dried thyme
Dried paprika
Soy sauce

I've tried so many different things and yet no matter how much seasoning I add, it just tastes either bland or has a massive kick of chili but no other flavours. Can anyone help? I must be doing something wrong!

You don't mention salt. I know Oxo cubes are fairly salty but for the amount you seem to be dealing with they may not be sufficient

GLC 06-17-2014 10:38 AM

I might suggest that, in addition to the salt issue, you may be simply adding too many things. You have as many as eight herbs and spices, not counting the soy sauce (which we can consider as umami, so MSG is probably not needed). And, of course, there's no complete recipe here, so we can't tell how much of the main ingredients are being added. How much of vegetables, rice, beans, etc. A dish needs a major theme. Perhaps beans. Perhaps rice. And a major accent for that. For instance, curry. The rest are supporting players, and too many of them, like excess chefs, spoil the soup.

For example. chickpeas make a great base for Indian and middle-eastern themes, which often have either curry or coriander/paprika dominating. Adding kale and carrots in moderation help make the beans more interesting, and onion and garlic are givens. The base can be chicken stock, water and coconut milk, water and saffron, or any number of other bases. But continuing to add more different herbs may produce the Biblical "mess of pottage," which is not necessarily more than something to fill the belly.

And you should never get to the table and only then discover a flavor fault. Taste as you go. Taste after each addition, just as you would when adding salt. That way, you discover emerging flavors that you may want to intensify, and you recognize when it's getting right and has no need of something else.

no mayonnaise 06-17-2014 01:58 PM

I'm only a little sure that this recipe is supposed to be some kind of soup.
I'd sweat my aromatic vegetables with my herbs and possibly some of the spices depending on what's going in, add tomato paste and cook a couple minutes more, add wine and reduce to a syrup, add water and oxo cubes, a dash of msg, salt, pepper and it shouldn't take much but a little time simmering on the fire. Personally if you are doing rice and it's pre cooked what I'd do is put some rice in the bowl and serve the soup on top of it, like gumbo.
All told I'm sure this method above will give you much flavor
For soups I like dry herbs more. Any time herbs are cooking liquid for a long time i go dry herbs.

CharlieD 06-17-2014 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jennyema (Post 1369242)
SALT :chef:

+1 and that plus is really big.

nerfdom 08-31-2014 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlieD (Post 1369515)
+1 and that plus is really big.

Also seconding the salt part.

You don't need to make it super salty, but when the salty receptors on your tongue are agitated it will actually cause certain aromas to become greatly enhanced (and aroma is where the real magic happens with taste).

Although theoretically depending on the oxo cubes they should have a decent amount of salt in them already.

Also adding something mildly acidic to the mix will draw out some of the vegetable fats into the broth

While animal fats are right there and in your face and can be rendered fully without adding a solvent, a lot of vegetable fats tend to require some chemical coaxing, and something acidic like a vinegar, or citrus flavour (depending on the overall profile you are going for) will help with some of that coaxing.

And if you want to neutralize the acidity after it does it's work just add something bitter to the mix toward the end.

Hope this helps!

taxlady 08-31-2014 12:55 PM

There's already plenty of MSG in the Oxo cubes.


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