Advice/discussion on liquid smoke vs. powdered smoke

[dragnlaw]

@pictonguy When it comes down to pickles and corkscrews - mutation is really the only word necessary.

 

[pictonguy]

@pictonguy When it comes down to pickles and corkscrews - mutation is really the only word necessary.

Very true. They're all just tools in the tool box and they all do the same thing, they twist DNA.

 

[msmofet]

I use liquid smoke in soups etc. I used to like Wright's brand but can't find it in the stores, so now I use Stubbs brand.
I use smoke powder in my dry rubs.

 

[caseydog]

I use liquid smoke in soups etc. I used to like Wright's brand but can't find it in the stores, so now I use Stubb's brand.
I use smoke powder in my dry rubs.

Stubbs makes a lot of good stuff. I like their Pork Marinade and their Sweet-Heat Sauce. They are in all the stores here, being a Texas company.

CD

 

[pictonguy]

CD

I noticed that NutritionFacts.org seemed a lot like a lobbying website for Veganism.

I've known for years that smoked foods can increase your risk of cancer, but so can a lot of other foods. I've had cancer, and if I gave up every food that could increase my risk for cancer again, I'd have to give up a lot of things I like to eat, like smoked meats. I could become a Vegan, and then get killed in a car accident... unless I also gave up driving, which is more dangerous than eating smoked meats.

I don't eat smoked meats every day, or even every week... maybe once or twice a month, depending on the season. Moderation.

CD

Yeah context and dosage is rarely discussed and the core weakness in how those videos communicate risk which translates into the message that says-look here's a compound that can damage DNA but never actually say how much is needed and how often it's consumed and under what conditions would be required. NutritionFacts.org tends to emphasize the existence of a mutagen, the potential for harm and then conclude the worse case interpretation and never bring up "relative risk"

Anyway there’s no scientific evidence that occasional smoked chicken or salmon increases cancer risk because no one is going to run a 20‑year RCT (random controlled trial) where one group eats smoked salmon and chicken daily and the other doesn’t.

So what's left are observational epidemiological conclusions which are fraught with hundreds of confounders and the big one is studying a population over a 20 year period asking them to fill in a food frequency questionnaire maybe twice a year on what they've eaten daily in that year. I won't even go into the hundreds of other cofounders that can't be accounted for, like maybe someone smokes, drinks too much alcohol or has diabetes, or never exercises and eats mostly processed foods, the list is endless.

So yeah most people should be concerned with these scare tactics that use a mechanism to show dysfunction but then don't talk about the context or dosage. Does that mean you won't get cancer, no not at all, but what's important is doing a little critical thinking and common sense, which is basically what your talking about as far as I'm concerned.

 

[dragnlaw]

and then there is this to consider...

 

[pictonguy]

and then there is this to consider...
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I just want to be clear here. I'm not criticizing the vegan diet itself, I'm criticizing how some people talk about it, and that distinction matters. Veganism can absolutely be a viable healthy dietary intervention that works if when certain nuances are established and taken into account.

There's certain nutrient gaps that occur like iron, zinc, iodine, calcium, B12 are understood and knowing some supplementation will be required and that whole foods should form the base and protein quality is managed properly as well as omega 3's that need to be properly addressed, and there's a few more and with that knowledge, veganism works well for many people.

Basically my point is that a vegan diet can work well, but only when people understand its limitations and don’t rely on fear‑based or misleading advocacy to justify it, that's when things go sideways and enter the twilight zone, with the ideology and dogma that make it so confrontational but as long as there's advocacies like NutritionFacts.org there will be pushback.

 

[grumpyoldman]

hold on piconguy@ i'm confused , are you a cook or a politician ?

 

[dragnlaw]

Oh dear, I was only implying that some people, no matter how you explain something to them, have tunnel vision. So no matter how you explain, they only believe the interpretation/implication, the first impression they originally picked up on.

 

[caseydog]

So no matter how you explain, they only believe the interpretation/implication, the first impression they originally picked up on.

Oh... my sister.

CD