Kloset BBQR
Executive Chef
This incident took place at a contest last year and I'd like to get the members read on whether this is legal or illegal?
I won't name the actual contest. It lost its sanctioning yesterday and the discussion of this has led to a firestorm debate on another forum.
Here is the scenario:
You are led to believe that the contest will have 25 teams. In fact the names of the teams are posted on a BBQ thread and there are exactly 25. When everyone gets there, there are only 23 or 24 teams. So the organizer goes around and asks teams if they'd like to contribute a team member to start a new team and whether you can donate any rub,sauce, or equipment to the new team? He says he'll provide the meat and waive the entry fee.
One member volunteers under a new team name and the contest achieves qualifying status. Do you see anything wrong with this practice?
Personally I think this issue raises a fundamental question that goes to the heart of the integrity of the sport and the qualifier status of BBQ competitions.
Question #1 - Is it legal to fabricate teams at KCBS contests to achieve the minimum number of 25 teams in order to achieve qualifying status.
Question #2 - (Ethical Dilemma) - If you won the contest and received an invite to Jack Daniel's based on a contest reaching the minimum level of teams to make it a qualifier by the fabricating of teams would you accept the invitation or not? Would you report the incident to KCBS?
I think the answer to #1 is it depends on the circumstances. If members of existing teams at the contest are spun off to make another team to make it a qualifier than they should have to abide by the same rules as other teams. They should have to 1. pay the entry fee, 2. provide their own meats, rubs, sauces, and equipment. To not pay the entry fee and contribute to the contest pool only cheats other teams in the contest especially if the team takes money out of the prize pool without putting money in. I believe any deviation from this exception is not within KCBS rules. What say you?
In regards to Question #2 thats only a question one can answer if they find themselves in that spot. It's very easy to answer hypothetically as to what we would do but another to remove ourselves from consideration. People are human and flawed. I like to think I'd do the right thing and withdraw my name from consideration. I'd hate to make the Jack knowing that the contest I won was flawed or deprive the winner of a qualifying contest the right to go to the Jack. What say you?
Greg, I left you a pm on this. I think this could make an interesting topic on your radio show. What do you think?
I won't name the actual contest. It lost its sanctioning yesterday and the discussion of this has led to a firestorm debate on another forum.
Here is the scenario:
You are led to believe that the contest will have 25 teams. In fact the names of the teams are posted on a BBQ thread and there are exactly 25. When everyone gets there, there are only 23 or 24 teams. So the organizer goes around and asks teams if they'd like to contribute a team member to start a new team and whether you can donate any rub,sauce, or equipment to the new team? He says he'll provide the meat and waive the entry fee.
One member volunteers under a new team name and the contest achieves qualifying status. Do you see anything wrong with this practice?
Personally I think this issue raises a fundamental question that goes to the heart of the integrity of the sport and the qualifier status of BBQ competitions.
Question #1 - Is it legal to fabricate teams at KCBS contests to achieve the minimum number of 25 teams in order to achieve qualifying status.
Question #2 - (Ethical Dilemma) - If you won the contest and received an invite to Jack Daniel's based on a contest reaching the minimum level of teams to make it a qualifier by the fabricating of teams would you accept the invitation or not? Would you report the incident to KCBS?
I think the answer to #1 is it depends on the circumstances. If members of existing teams at the contest are spun off to make another team to make it a qualifier than they should have to abide by the same rules as other teams. They should have to 1. pay the entry fee, 2. provide their own meats, rubs, sauces, and equipment. To not pay the entry fee and contribute to the contest pool only cheats other teams in the contest especially if the team takes money out of the prize pool without putting money in. I believe any deviation from this exception is not within KCBS rules. What say you?
In regards to Question #2 thats only a question one can answer if they find themselves in that spot. It's very easy to answer hypothetically as to what we would do but another to remove ourselves from consideration. People are human and flawed. I like to think I'd do the right thing and withdraw my name from consideration. I'd hate to make the Jack knowing that the contest I won was flawed or deprive the winner of a qualifying contest the right to go to the Jack. What say you?
Greg, I left you a pm on this. I think this could make an interesting topic on your radio show. What do you think?