GotGarlic
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I have the same problem with bingeing on Lay's Ruffles with Ridges and French onion dip. It's an every-few-months indulgence.
Fatty Liver
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Little back story: I had a heart attack and got a stent. Then I was feeling pressure and dull pain in my right flank and was diagnosed with Fatty Liver. My doctor at the time tossed it out there and never referred to it again, even when I asked about treatment. So, I did my own research and found that a Ketogenic Diet was the only treatment for Fatty Liver. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1&q=fatty+liver+and+ketogenic+diet for your own research.
Triglycerides are directly related to the amount of carbs eaten, not fat. High triglycerides contribute largely to fatty liver. Again, do your own research, don't take my word for it or anyone else's. I am available by PM to answer questions if you like, but will not expound on the public forum about my diet and/or habits.
Anecdotal: I have lost 30 pounds, have reduced my Cardiac meds and have stopped all diabetes medications. It still took 2 more heart attacks and 3 more stents to get me healthy enough to exercise. My fatty liver has reduced by 50% in the last 4 years.
My condolences on your loss, my husband died last February from Metastatic Bladder Cancer.
Triglycerides are directly related to the amount of carbs eaten, not fat. High triglycerides contribute largely to fatty liver. Again, do your own research, don't take my word for it or anyone else's. I am available by PM to answer questions if you like, but will not expound on the public forum about my diet and/or habits.
Anecdotal: I have lost 30 pounds, have reduced my Cardiac meds and have stopped all diabetes medications. It still took 2 more heart attacks and 3 more stents to get me healthy enough to exercise. My fatty liver has reduced by 50% in the last 4 years.
My condolences on your loss, my husband died last February from Metastatic Bladder Cancer.
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Rascal
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I'm really impressed with how the human body can take such a hammering and bounce back. I've seen some bad stuff but almost every time ended in a good result. Back to the liver, I was thinking about 30 years ago I used to dress lambs and pigs as home kill. The lamb livers had huge build up of fat around them,the livers were the first thing grabbed. They were wrapped in huge amounts of fat.
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Linda0818
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Thanks so much for everyone's posts, hugs and suggestions. So appreciated!
I need to start eating healthier and get rid of some of my weight. That much I know for sure. I also need to chill on the alcohol. That's definitely not helping. I don't drink huge amounts, but I do so love a few drinks in the evenings. I never drink enough to actually get drunk because I hate that feeling. But right now any amount of alcohol isn't going to be good for me, so no use in trying to justify it. That's going to be one seriously hard habit to break.
On one hand, I'm glad I found out about this so I can take steps to make it better. However, on the other hand, as if I needed anything else to make me even crazier than I already am, knowing about this has severely depressed me and I walk around in a doom & gloom fog all day long. I keep thinking well, this is it, my life has been majorly shortened, so I may as well get used to the fact that I probably won't be here much longer.
And just thinking that way is wreaking havoc on my psyche. A movie I watched once had some older Southern woman in it that said "You think too much about the time you have left, you don't spend it living."
She said a mouthful there.
I need to start eating healthier and get rid of some of my weight. That much I know for sure. I also need to chill on the alcohol. That's definitely not helping. I don't drink huge amounts, but I do so love a few drinks in the evenings. I never drink enough to actually get drunk because I hate that feeling. But right now any amount of alcohol isn't going to be good for me, so no use in trying to justify it. That's going to be one seriously hard habit to break.
On one hand, I'm glad I found out about this so I can take steps to make it better. However, on the other hand, as if I needed anything else to make me even crazier than I already am, knowing about this has severely depressed me and I walk around in a doom & gloom fog all day long. I keep thinking well, this is it, my life has been majorly shortened, so I may as well get used to the fact that I probably won't be here much longer.
And just thinking that way is wreaking havoc on my psyche. A movie I watched once had some older Southern woman in it that said "You think too much about the time you have left, you don't spend it living."
She said a mouthful there.
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Linda0818
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Wow, I'd forgotten all about this thread. Thanks for your response.
My doctor told me that there are a LOT of people with fatty liver and don't even know it, nor do they ever find out about it, because fatty liver doesn't always develop into anything more than just that... excess fat on the liver. Apparently it's more common than I was aware of.
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if i knew there was a discussion about my fat liver, i would have joined months ago. i am living it now. i did my annual blood tests required of me by my doc. my ALT enzymes would go up and down.. the last two times, they went up again. time for my doc to further investigate. 1st step would be the blood test. they ultrasounded me just a few days ago, and it looks okay. fat but okay. i think they look for important passages to be clear. not sure, i'm not a doctor. i then went in for a special test called FIBROSCAN. it measures liver density. it confirmed my fatty liver as "advanced". some history, i dont drink that much booze. maybe 10 drinks a year. i stopped even that this time. ZERO booze. they ran a bunch of additional blood test, that as far i can tell look like they are looking for Cancer markers. (fingers crossed)
i just met with a Dietician a few days ago. we are assmuming it is NAFLD at this point while we wait for a few more blood test results to trickle in. i eat clean now. not much bread, no white rice, no noodles, and i havent had red meat in 6 weeks. i also started jogging every morning before work. in 6wks, i dropped 10 lbs. i have been asked to drop 10% of my body weight. no drinking, and mind my food. smaller meals.
i am like you. someone tells me i have a damaged liver, it will feel a tiny bit sore. so i think i feel something. it is more than likely in my mind. other things not polite to discuss on a public forum are better indicators. hahhaha... my doc said 25% of USA population has a fat liver. doenst make it right, and it can lead to Cirrhosis. i refuse to stay the course. but my brother did say he would donate a lobe. Fatty liver is the leading cause of liver transplants in women in this country. (paraphrasing my doctor)
good luck.
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oh, my doctor handed me off to a Gastroenterologist. Just saying.
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Linda0818
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Yep. Same exact thing that happened to me, being shown the door to a Gastro doc. And I too had a Fibroscan done. It came back within normal range.
*shrug*
I agree that the 'sore' feeling in the liver is in our heads. Mine went away once I stopped obsessing over the whole thing. I have anxiety and I'm also a bit of a hypochondriac. Not a heavy-duty one, but enough to where if I feel some weird pain somewhere, a pain that's unusual or something I've never felt before, I automatically assume I'm probably dying of some weird disease. So then I go and make things worse by Googling symptoms, which my doctor told me I should never do, for obvious reasons. The internet can be a plethora of useful information -- but it can also cause you to drive yourself insane with worry, especially someone, like me, with GAD (generalized anxiety disorder).
Even my cousin told me, "Linda, for crying out loud, when you're feeling sick or you have odd symptoms, stay the heck away from the internet."
I really should listen to her more, as she's older and wiser. But I've never listened to anyone, truth be told. I'm as stubborn as a mule. Just like my mama was.
Thanks for commenting and I hope your blood tests all come back normal.
Linda, if you must go on the Internet for your symptoms - at least stick with a Medical Teaching Hospital/University! Try Hopkins, can't go wrong there. Enter John Hopkins, **relavent disease/whatever** for eg. John Hopkins Fatty Liver
It keeps you from going off on a tangent. I mean you still can't self diagnose but at least you won't have somebody screaming at you that you're going to die tomorrow if you don't eat 15 garden worms proven to have cured their giddy Aunt May.
It keeps you from going off on a tangent. I mean you still can't self diagnose but at least you won't have somebody screaming at you that you're going to die tomorrow if you don't eat 15 garden worms proven to have cured their giddy Aunt May.
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Linda0818
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LOL, so true.
And thanks for the advice. Good advice, indeed. There are some sites out there that pretty much ANY symptom may as well say "Sorry, you're going to die in 6 months. Move along."
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Since more of the population will die of heart disease instead of fatty liver, triglycerides are studied more for heart disease than for fatty liver disease, but it is a primary problem for both.
The Cleveland Clinic is famous for studying heart disease.
my.clevelandclinic.org
Instead of limiting carbs in general, it is more specific, to limit refined carbohydrates (like refined white flour), and sugar. Also avoid alcohol and fats.
Whole grains, beans, veggies and fruit are recommended.
So when you try to eat for reversing fatty liver, you will be eating to also lower heart disease.
We eat to lower heart disease (esselstyn) and then it protects us from fatty liver. For avoiding fats, we only eat the fat that is naturally in food. No oils. Fruits are limited to 3 whole fruits/day, or as a serving, less than 1/3 cup of pureed sugar free fruit, or less than 1/3 cup dry fruit. No fruit juice. No white flour, no sugar. (We do have a couple teaspoons of honey per day which is not allowed.) Veggies, beans, whole grains, few nuts or seeds.
The Cleveland Clinic is famous for studying heart disease.
How Triglycerides Impact Heart Health
High triglycerides are a risk factor for heart disease. They contribute to atherosclerosis and raise your risk of heart attack or stroke.
my.clevelandclinic.org
Whole grains, beans, veggies and fruit are recommended.
So when you try to eat for reversing fatty liver, you will be eating to also lower heart disease.
We eat to lower heart disease (esselstyn) and then it protects us from fatty liver. For avoiding fats, we only eat the fat that is naturally in food. No oils. Fruits are limited to 3 whole fruits/day, or as a serving, less than 1/3 cup of pureed sugar free fruit, or less than 1/3 cup dry fruit. No fruit juice. No white flour, no sugar. (We do have a couple teaspoons of honey per day which is not allowed.) Veggies, beans, whole grains, few nuts or seeds.
HeyItsSara
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What about seeing a nutritionist?
pictonguy
Sous Chef
In this study, 60% of participants saw a reduction in their NAFLD Liver Fat Score, and 67% had a reduction in the NAFLD Fibrosis Score.
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/9/2/e023597
Post hoc analyses of surrogate markers of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) and liver fibrosis in patients with type 2 diabetes in a digitally supported continuous care intervention: an open-label, non-randomised controlled study
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/9/2/e023597
Post hoc analyses of surrogate markers of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) and liver fibrosis in patients with type 2 diabetes in a digitally supported continuous care intervention: an open-label, non-randomised controlled study
Rascal
Head Chef
Our friend has fatty liver. She refuses to do it about it . She likes her drink more.
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wellwellwell
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1. "Placebo" and "Nocebo" effects : I heard a story, once, of a man who was told he had a terminal condition, and would die in a number of months. He believed it, and, sure enough, he died a few months later.And I'm not talking about Foie Gras (although apparently I'd be a perfect candidate).
I was told by my doctor that my liver is fatty, following an ultrasound of my upper right quadrant, because something in there has been bothering me lately. I wasn't sure if something was really going on or not because all of this started just after my husband passed away from liver cancer in September. I tend to be somewhat of a hypochondriac and have had generalized anxiety disorder for the past 10 years. So a lot of the physical problems I encounter are brought on by my own paranoia. After he died, I started feeling something in the area where my liver is located, like I was having 'sympathy pains' or something. And, I'm ashamed to admit, I'm one of those people who turns to the internet to research symptoms, which is the worst thing I could do. Even my doctor told me to stop doing that because when you go online to research every single little symptom that pops up, you literally Google yourself into madness. Not to mention scare the living poop out of yourself. It doesn't matter what you research, you'll always come across the websites that basically say, in so many words, "you have a terminal illness and you're going to die in 6 months."
Someone like me, with general *and* health anxiety, will become very depressed and it interferes with my quality of life because death is all I think about it. And it's even worse now, having someone very close to me die of cancer. I keep thinking 'I'm next.'
I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but I wanted to ask if anyone else has been told they have fatty liver and if you can actually feel it. Because even though my doctor told me everything else looks great; gallbladder is fine, pancreas is fine, liver is not inflamed despite the fat, and nothing else was found on the ultrasound, I still have this weird, dull, uncomfortable feeling right beneath my right rib cage. Almost as if something is stuck there. It's not painful, it's just bothersome at times. Maybe it's in my head or maybe something is really there. I don't know. This is how bad my anxiety is - even hearing 2 doctors AND an ultrasound telling me there's nothing there, I still don't have peace of mind, as though I don't believe them. This is how the brain of an anxiety-ridden person works. Any of you out there with anxiety and/or panic disorder knows exactly what I'm talking about. You can be told you're in perfect health and that's still not good enough, despite also being told over 80 million people in the U.S. have fatty livers, as it's very common and you're not alone.
Basically, I'm wondering 2 things...
1) Does anyone else have fatty liver and do you do anything to try and improve it?
2) Can fatty liver be physically 'felt' from inside? i.e., could this discomfort I'm feeling under my rib cage be my liver or is it probably something else?
Thanks for listening to my insanity
It turned out there was a mix up and he was told the wrong information.
Think positively, not negatively.
2. Fatty liver : I wouldn't believe the doctors, nor would I trust ultrasounds. I had a terrible incident with my liver a couple years ago, and had serious pains, like lava, but the ultrasound said everything was fine.
a. Stop spiking your glucose. Carbs spike your glucose. Try low carb (20g daily). One meal a week, you can spike your glucose ("Carb Nite Solution" by John Keifer).
b. Get lecithin into your diet. Egg yolks have lecithin. Buy high quality (Organic Pasture Raised) so you can eat them raw, or poach them (or over easy) so you can at least have them liquid/runny. Bee Pollen is a far better source, though--of which you'd want 2 T daily.
Lecithin is what your liver needs in order to emulsify fats. Think of it like washing dishes : you need soap to get rid of the grease.
c. Blend a whole lemon (must be organic--no wax coating), seeds and all, smooth, and drink that. Can sweeten with alternative sweetener (xylitol, allulose, etc), and/or add strawberry and/or blueberry. If this gets you over 20g carbs daily, so be it. Good for liver health. Per Dr. Berg.
d. Intermittent fasting : bare minimum 12 hrs a day, you have only water (others claim you can have teas and coffee, but this is an error, because, per Dr. Rhonda Patrick, the digestive enzyme cycle is only 12 hrs daily, and it starts up the moment you have anything beside water).
Do not brush your teeth with toothpaste during 12 hr fasting, bc that also breaks the fast. Any flavor must be avoided. Any texture (eg, eating ice) must be avoided. Anything that makes your body think it is eating must be avoided. If you dream of eating food, though, I don't know if that breaks the fast--maybe not.
e. Make sure to wait 1 hr after breaking your fast to have fats. The liver needs time to wake up. Otherwise, you get gallstones.
pictonguy
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Lots of woo in this post.
Anyway welcome to DC.
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Linda0818
Head Chef
Thanks for the information. However, since I'm diabetic, not eating for 12 hours is a no-no for me.
pictonguy
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The 12 hours generally included sleeping, so an 8 to 8 not eating would qualify and also being diabetic doesn't mean you need to eat X amount of times day.
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