Food Fraud

[cjmmytunes]

for USA consumers (only?) . . .
the USDA has decided that fish/seafood/etc 'wild caught' - the country of origin shall be the country in which the 'boat' is registered.

it is not only possible, but proven, than Chinese shrimpers operating/catching shrimp in the Gulf of . . . Mexico/America...? must be declared as Product of China.

tuna/salmon(whatever) harvested by (any foreign country...) in any area gets labeled as product of xxxx - which is not really where the fish comes from . . .

I didn't know that - TIL.

Thank you for the information.

 

[dragnlaw]

for USA consumers (only?) . . .
the USDA has decided that fish/seafood/etc 'wild caught' - the country of origin shall be the country in which the 'boat' is registered.

it is not only possible, but proven, than Chinese shrimpers operating/catching shrimp in the Gulf of . . . Mexico/America...? must be declared as Product of China.

tuna/salmon(whatever) harvested by (any foreign country...) in any area gets labeled as product of xxxx - which is not really where the fish comes from . . .

I'm not understanding what you are trying to say.

Are you saying the rules for tuna/salmon are not the same as for shrimp?

I take it then that people could possibly not buy shrimp labeled as from China, just because it is from China not realizing it is actually caught in the Gulf of Mexico?

I really am dense.
So tuna/salmon can be labeled from where ever the foreign country desires? or their own country?
Which does the XXX represent?

 

[caseydog]

for USA consumers (only?) . . .
the USDA has decided that fish/seafood/etc 'wild caught' - the country of origin shall be the country in which the 'boat' is registered.

it is not only possible, but proven, than Chinese shrimpers operating/catching shrimp in the Gulf of . . . Mexico/America...? must be declared as Product of China.

tuna/salmon(whatever) harvested by (any foreign country...) in any area gets labeled as product of xxxx - which is not really where the fish comes from . . .

Not likely to be happening much, especially in the Gulf of Mexico (not Mexico/America). Why would a Chinese registered shrimp boat operate in US (or close) waters, knowing that they will have to charge less for their catch, because the country of origin wrongly says China? It would make much more sense to do the opposite, and use USA registered boats to fish in China, and fraudulently mark up the Chinese fish and shrimp as USA product.

I'm from the Gulf Coast, and the shrimp boats are heavily owned and operated by the families of people who escaped Vietnam after the war.

CD

 

[caseydog]

I'm not understanding what you are trying to say.

Are you saying the rules for tuna/salmon are not the same as for shrimp?

I take it then that people could possibly not buy shrimp labeled as from China, just because it is from China not realizing it is actually caught in the Gulf of Mexico?

I really am dense.
So tuna/salmon can be labeled from where ever the foreign country desires? or their own country?
Which does the XXX represent?

This information sounds bogus to me, too. But, the internet is full of bogus information.

CD

 

[caseydog]

I didn't know that - TIL.

Thank you for the information.

I'd verify that information before you buy into it.

CD

 

[The Ghan]

One word sums up Food Fraud - McDonalds!!

 

[dragnlaw]

I didn't say it was bogus - I said I didn't understand what was being said.

 

[dcSaute]

I'm not understanding what you are trying to say.

Are you saying the rules for tuna/salmon are not the same as for shrimp?

I take it then that people could possibly not buy shrimp labeled as from China, just because it is from China not realizing it is actually caught in the Gulf of Mexico?

I really am dense.
So tuna/salmon can be labeled from where ever the foreign country desires? or their own country?
Which does the XXX represent?

USA requires country of origin on most foods.
the absence of a statement as to country of origin implies it is grown/harvested/whatever in USA.

for farmed fish/seafood, it's clear what the country of origin is.
for wild caught fish/seafood, that's not so clear.
so the government, bless their teeny little hearts, decided country of origin is the country in which the fishing boat is registered.

right or wrong, that's what the government says . . .

 

[dragnlaw]

I guess Canada has already taken that into consideration. Is it a law? Don't know. The Calamari I had the other night says...

Imported by Aqua Star (Barrie, ON, Canada)
Harvested in the U.S.A. Product of China. ​

and they were delicious by the way...

 

[Chef Odin]

One word sums up Food Fraud - McDonalds!!

At least when you buy McDonalds, there is no mystery that you are buying sketchy, highly processed, food like substances. I remember a time when the government acted as a steward of the people and would shut scam operations like this down. Ahh, the good old days.

Chef Odin

 

[CharlieD]

Fish and seafood are often mislabeled. Usually it’s a less than scrupulous vendor passing off items as one thing when they are clearly another. Most commonly fraudulent is origin. Ramsay was doing one of his shows and they were in Maine, selling Maine lobster from Canada.
San Marzano tomatoes now have DOC, as does cheeses and wines, which helps but is only scratching the surface.

what is "DOC"?

 

[blissful]

I prefer "FOOD" that has no ingredient list, or if it does have one, every single item is a recognizable food item without an ingredient list. Then all assembled food (like a salsa) or a baked food (like a bread) or a prepared dish (like stir fry veggies) is only one step away from being just ingredients we know of as food.

 

[Shining Wizard]

It stands for Denominazione di Origine Controllata

 

[dcSaute]

how one does 'honey' is highly dependent on 'circumstances'
we have a number of rather local bee keepers. I'm very partial to 'honey in the comb' - which at commercial retail is absolutely astronomical in price.

but the locals will happily cut the comb right out of the frame and plunk it in a jar - at essentially their 'spun out' price.
they all produce/sell only 'raw honey' - no pasteurizing/etc

not everybody has 'access' to that level of 'blossom-to-jar' . . . . .
but it is really good stuff.

 

[dragnlaw]

I have a small amount of liquid honey in the cupboard for recipes.
To eat I use only honeycomb on my toast (or spoon) But one chunk lasts me over a year. Sensitive tummy to that sweetness so although I love it I hate the after groans more so it's not too hard to bear.

 

[blissful]

We cut our honey comb as a 3x3.5 inch square that averages out at about 10 oz in a square box. We charge $11.
Another way of packaging it, is to put a 6 oz rectangle of honey in cut comb into a 1.5 lb jar, then fill it with liquid honey, for $17.

 

[medtran49]

When Craig used to travel for work, he'd often stop at a place that made real beeswax candles. They sold honey as a byproduct.

 

[Lee Vining]

Lobster tail is the occasional faked menu item here.
Sometimes just a big crawdad tail.
Olive oil is another.

 

[caseydog]

Lobster tail is the occasional faked menu item here.
Sometimes just a big crawdad tail.
Olive oil is another.

Crawfish down here would be hard to sell as lobster. They ain't big enough. Do they catch crawfish in Southern California near a nuclear power facility?

CD

 

[Linda0818]

I don't know how true this is, but I've read that some stores will market steelhead trout as salmon, since steelhead trout is typically less expensive than salmon. But the store will sell it at 'salmon prices'.