New Dietary Guidelines

[In A Pickle]

I love butter, cream, cheese, bacon, and red meat and use those regularly and have my whole life. Even when I was a vegetarian for a few years, in my 20s, I still used a lot of butter and dairy. I had perfect cholesterol and BP levels most of my life but eventually that caught up with me by the time I was in my late 50s and not in a good way (high LDL). I started taking a low dosage of high blood pressure medication and that came down. My GP wanted to put me on a statin of 10mg because it is proven that high cholesterol can adversely affect the cardiovascular system. The alternative was to alter my diet and I thought about it. It was suggested that more whole grains and fiber could help lower my cholesterol and the science indicates this is true. That would have been a good idea IMO, but I didn't do that. I resisted the medication for a few years because most people I know have side effects of muscle soreness and lethargy. Last year I gave in, but I suggested we start out with 5mg when they wanted me to go on 10mg. Within 5 months my cholesterol dropped 70 points and is well into normal range.

I think moderation regarding anything is a good idea, whether it be food, drinking, exercise, etc. I have all kinds of ideas about nutrition and health but I am not a doctor, nutritionist, or a dietician, although I have read extensively on various subjects throughout my life and worked for a few nutritional companies over the years. I like eating veggies along with my proteins and I like carbs. I do think a balanced diet is a good thing for most people. And it's just common sense that "real" foods are better than processed foods, but the idea that eating a lot of saturated fats is good for you is a load of bollocks.

I love this post. It made me chuckle.
Sensible restrained easy to read and ending with “a load of bollocks.” ROFL

 

[pictonguy]

Physiology.

Well, first we have to ask a few questions and within those answers lies the solution.

1) why have the majority of Americans consume around 70% of their calories from Ultra Processed Food

I love butter, cream, cheese, bacon, and red meat and use those regularly and have my whole life. Even when I was a vegetarian for a few years, in my 20s, I still used a lot of butter and dairy. I had perfect cholesterol and BP levels most of my life but eventually that caught up with me by the time I was in my late 50s and not in a good way (high LDL). I started taking a low dosage of high blood pressure medication and that came down. My GP wanted to put me on a statin of 10mg because it is proven that high cholesterol can adversely affect the cardiovascular system. The alternative was to alter my diet and I thought about it. It was suggested that more whole grains and fiber could help lower my cholesterol and the science indicates this is true. That would have been a good idea IMO, but I didn't do that. I resisted the medication for a few years because most people I know have side effects of muscle soreness and lethargy. Last year I gave in, but I suggested we start out with 5mg when they wanted me to go on 10mg. Within 5 months my cholesterol dropped 70 points and is well into normal range.

I think moderation regarding anything is a good idea, whether it be food, drinking, exercise, etc. I have all kinds of ideas about nutrition and health but I am not a doctor, nutritionist, or a dietician, although I have read extensively on various subjects throughout my life and worked for a few nutritional companies over the years. I like eating veggies along with my proteins and I like carbs. I do think a balanced diet is a good thing for most people. And it's just common sense that "real" foods are better than processed foods, but the idea that eating a lot of saturated fats is good for you is a load of bollocks.

These new dietary guidelines recommend that no more than 10 grams of saturated fat per day should be consumed which didn't change from the previous one, just thought I'd mention that.

Also thee are no studies showing either saturated fat or cholesterol is the causation of heart disease. You believe otherwise obviously from your remarks and I think you talked yourself into a statin, not your doctor.

 

[In A Pickle]

Heading into dangerous territory methinks

 

[Jusa]

Physiology.

Well, first we have to ask a few questions and within those answers lies the solution.

1) why have the majority of Americans consume around 70% of their calories from Ultra Processed Food

I don't and never had. But tell millions of Italians how bad pasta is for them. Tell all those Asians how bad rice is for them.

These new dietary guidelines recommend that no more than 10 grams of saturated fat per day should be consumed which didn't change from the previous one, just thought I'd mention that.

Also thee are no studies showing either saturated fat or cholesterol is the causation of heart disease. You believe otherwise obviously from your remarks and I think you talked yourself into a statin, not your doctor.

Right, I should have just eaten more whole grains.

I do not hold a degree in medicine other than a slightly related massotherapy degree which does not incorporate nutritional advice to clients and most of what I know about nutrition is from studying on my own other than when I was in college studying pathophysiology and gerontology while getting my medical transcriptionist certification, but that was a long time ago.

I'll not argue with you because you apparently have a degree in the medical field, sorry!

 

[pictonguy]

I don't know how 'the new' is going to accomplish any of that.
people just eat a bigger pyramid.

It's mostly based on nutritional biochemistry and the many satiety hormones as well as the dopamine pathay that drives the reward system. Basically the more carbs especially the refined type drive overeating and this inverted pyramid (new guidelines) changes that paradigm of the entire appetite‑regulation system. it's actually a pretty basic concept, ignored, but not anymore.

 

[pictonguy]

I don't and never had. But tell millions of Italians how bad pasta is for them. Tell all those Asians how bad rice is for them.

Right, I should have just eaten more whole grains.

I do not hold a degree in medicine other than a slightly related massotherapy degree which does not incorporate nutritional advice to clients and most of what I know about nutrition is from studying on my own other than when I was in college studying pathophysiology and gerontology while getting my medical transcriptionist certification, but that was a long time ago.

I'll not argue with you because you apparently have a degree in the medical field, sorry!

So nothing then, ok.

 

[Jusa]

So nothing then, ok.

This isn’t intended to cause any offense, but there are so many quacks and wannabes out there in the field of nutrition, may I please ask what your qualifications are in this area? You certainly have a lot of very strong opinions and I am just curious about your degree(s) and where they were obtained. Thank you in advance.

 

[pictonguy]

This isn’t intended to cause any offense, but there are so many quacks and wannabes out there in the field of nutrition, may I please ask what your qualifications are in this area? You certainly have a lot of very strong opinions and I am just curious about your degree(s) and where they were obtained. Thank you in advance.

Your argument is based on the "appeal to authority" which is a very common fallacy. Which suggests where someone claims something is true because an expert said so, rather than because the evidence itself supports that claim.

I can have an opinion because I'm able to read and comprehend, and because it doesn't go along with your opinion and because I'm not a doctor, it's discounted. People often weaponize “expertise” to shut down discussion, and that is how dogma forms and your assertions go against what I know and i just asked you to show your data, which you've decided not to do. So here we are, getting nowhere.

 

[Jusa]

Your argument is based on the "appeal to authority" which is a very common fallacy. Which suggests where someone claims something is true because an expert said so, rather than because the evidence itself supports that claim.

I can have an opinion because I'm able to read and comprehend, and because it doesn't go along with your opinion and because I'm not a doctor, it's discounted. People often weaponize “expertise” to shut down discussion, and that is how dogma forms and your assertions go against what I know and i just asked you to show your data, which you've decided not to do. So here we are, getting nowhere.

What is the argument you are referring to? My original post was not directed at you, it was a general post. If you scroll back, you can see that I did not copy or quote you in any fashion and was just stating what was going on with me personally and giving anecdotal experience.

Additionally, I have not said your theories were wrong on anything (obviously since you didn't write the new dietary guidelines), I merely stated my way of thinking. If it doesn't agree with yours that does not mean I was attacking you, but interesting you would take it that way and get so defensive.

I was just curious about your medical and nutritional degrees so I asked. I don't need to show any data on anything, since when did I claim to be a medical or nutritional expert?

 

[Jusa]

Alright, getting ready to leave and have a big bacon cheeseburger and a load of crispy French fries and some alcohol. Still scratching my head on what that ^^^ was all about. See ya!