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In Dutch culture, vegetarianism has always been considered a sign of extreme poverty. And due to our relatively cold climate (at least that's what it used to be like) it was harder to keep warm and eat enough calories without meat.
Traditionally even the lower middle class to upper poor class people would join together to buy a pig to fatten up and slaughter together at the end of the year. Usually around oktober or november, when the still well known Beer garden festivals are held in Germany. Those were held to celebrate the harvest and the freshly slaughtered pigs.
So most Dutch poverty food contains at least a little bacon or bacon fat. Traditional poverty food like ''doop' is a dish where poor people eat only potatoes, but they are dipped in lard and mustard. So even the poorest Dutch, for most of history, had access to some meat. Usually that was a bit of bacon on sunday, and the fat was used for the rest of the week to be eaten as above or with beans and mollasses. Beans with molasses and bacon is another poverty dish from long ago.
The desperately poor, those in the workhouses or the destitute on the streets were practically the only ones to whom meat was truly unavailable. Those people lived on bean stews, green vegetables, potatoes, and dark rye bread. I mention green vegetables here and not in the rest of this introduction, because back in the day vegetables were considered unhealthy which is why people who could just scrape by usually spent their money on meat or dairy to go with their potatoes instead of vegetables. Fruit was not even considered nutritious, it was eaten purely for pleasure so a poor person would definitely not have access to fruit.

But, around 1800 the first sign of vegetarianism did show up in the Netherlands. To the awe of many, some upper class people, mostly adventists decided that eating meat was gluttonous and sinful. They believed that Jesus was poor, and would thus have not eaten meat or very rarely. They wished to emulate this example.

The response in the newspaper to this new phenomenon? (translated quote )

Just imagine, no perch, no bass, no steak, no chicken although these are common, imagine what it's like for the gourmand? No truffled pheasants, no bass a la Chambord, no oysters for the one who desperately needs it to please his palate. To him the life of a vegetarian must seem no life at all!
What could one eat then? Flour, grits, potatoes, rice, pasta, and when done with this list one has to repeat it. Because as we all know, vegetables are not nourishing, and without meat they would be boring anyway. To think of cauliflower without sausage, spinach without ham, carrots without beef and pears without calves meat, such horror! Anyone considering this, must soon decide it to be impossible.


This was part 1.
 
Oh wow, that's very informative! Did nearby countries adopt a similar philosophy I wonder? Keep 'em coming!
 
Oh wow, that's very informative! Did nearby countries adopt a similar philosophy I wonder? Keep 'em coming!
Belgium certainly did, as before the end of the 17th century Belgium and the Netherlands were one country. It's very amusing for me to see people diss Dutch food and then praise Belgian food, while both share the same roots and still have many similar dishes and traditions.
 
Belgium certainly did, as before the end of the 17th century Belgium and the Netherlands were one country. It's very amusing for me to see people diss Dutch food and then praise Belgian food, while both share the same roots and still have many similar dishes and traditions.
I still haven't figured out who is hating on Dutch food. I think I'd love most of it. I'm sure I've been eating meals with Dutch influence for decades anyway, living in the big melting pot of the USA.
 
Jusa, I don't think she means people are 'hating' on Dutch foods so much that if they were asked to compare Belgian they would probably say the Belgian is far superior. I think for the simple reason they have heard of Belgian dishes in an international way rather than dishes from the Netherlands. Well, that's my take on it, for what it's worth.
 
Jusa, I don't think she means people are 'hating' on Dutch foods so much that if they were asked to compare Belgian they would probably say the Belgian is far superior. I think for the simple reason they have heard of Belgian dishes in an international way rather than dishes from the Netherlands. Well, that's my take on it, for what it's worth.
Oh, I see what you mean, but I know her from another food forum and I have read posts from her more than once where she has stated that people do diss on Dutch food. I should have clarified we were friends and I had knowledge about that others could not know.
 
I didn’t (and still don’t) think of Dutch food as bad until this came up as a topic and then I remembered the dry rye bread (no lubrication on there in the form of butter or mayo) and the single slice of ham on it and nothing else.
This was from a school trip nearly 40 years ago and the breakfast and lunch was.. I don’t know the word, sparing? frugal?
I don’t remember enjoying any of it but I also think of that as being back in the mists of time in an different era, things have moved on everywhere the same way as they have in the UK. Fortunately 😊
 
I can't say I know much about Dutch food. I like some of their cheeses. I am also very fond of Dutch matjes herring.
I absolutely love smoked Gouda, it's one of my favorite cheeses! And Edam is top notch as well.

Danish havarti is wonderful as well.
 
I spent a few dollars on some Smoked Gouda when I could ill afford it - threw it out in the end - was disgusting. I've never bought any cheese smoked since. I've also had a bad experience with another flavoured cheese and not a cheap one.
So from now on - no flavoured cheeses for me. I like them just as they are.
 
I spent a few dollars on some Smoked Gouda when I could ill afford it - threw it out in the end - was disgusting. I've never bought any cheese smoked since. I've also had a bad experience with another flavoured cheese and not a cheap one.
So from now on - no flavoured cheeses for me. I like them just as they are.
A little smoked cheese along with unsmoked cheddar and similar makes lovely mac n cheese.
 
I didn’t (and still don’t) think of Dutch food as bad until this came up as a topic and then I remembered the dry rye bread (no lubrication on there in the form of butter or mayo) and the single slice of ham on it and nothing else.
This was from a school trip nearly 40 years ago and the breakfast and lunch was.. I don’t know the word, sparing? frugal?
I don’t remember enjoying any of it but I also think of that as being back in the mists of time in an different era, things have moved on everywhere the same way as they have in the UK. Fortunately 😊
Well that is indeed something that would happen in the Netherlands. Dutch food culture can be very frugal and a lot of Dutch people do eat just bread for lunch and breakfast.

That is caused largely by the influence of Calvinism on our culture. We're largely a Protestant Christian country and Calvijn was a famous preacher who had the idea that decadent food was from the devil. He inspired a movement that still influences a lot of Dutch thinking around food.
Plus, 40 years ago was still relatively short after world war two, the country was still rebuilding. Food culture was still one of scarcity. It's only been post the 2000s that Dutch food culture has left it's frugality behind a little more, but you can still see it.
 
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