Thinking of A Fish Pie

The friendliest place on the web for anyone that enjoys cooking.
If you have answers, please help by responding to the unanswered posts.
To me the lighter bechamel seems to compliment the salmon and carry it whereas I should think a hollandaise would try to outshine the salmon. Hollandaise is good with the asparagus but it is sort of a more traditional common veg for salmon.
Well some sort of creamy, lemony sauce would be good with the salmon and asparagus. And I'm rather boring and traditional, I suppose. But so are peas!. But I do like chicken pot pies with peas.
In a casserole type pie setting I see nothing wrong with the peas, better than asparagus actually.
So you've got both going for the different food groups.
Not for me.
Of course it all boils down - for me - I don't like any fish, salmon or not in a casserole - pie setting. LOL so that answers the question for me!
Any other fish than salmon would be fine with me.
 
Last edited:
If you want to do something special with salmon come the Spring - look up Laura Calder's Salmon en Croute. Marvelous! Pretty sure you'll love it. I can't find my own picture but this is hers. Mine was a lot flatter looking but just as delicious.
1765860562791.jpeg


As a type of 'Wellington' there was no sauce involved although she does use some of the asparagus and some creme fraiche pureed.
 
If you want to do something special with salmon come the Spring - look up Laura Calder's Salmon en Croute. Marvelous! Pretty sure you'll love it. I can't find my own picture but this is hers. Mine was a lot flatter looking but just as delicious.
View attachment 78058

As a type of 'Wellington' there was no sauce involved although she does use some of the asparagus and some creme fraiche pureed.
Is that dill? I'm all over that.
 
I don’t understand all this:
It would just be a fish quiche with a pastry top.
But MrJade has vetoed it, so have many members here.
So it’s out.
😢

My ex-wife used to make jams and preserves for family, friends and her customers. I designed some labels and got them printed and put them on the finished jars, and helped her hand them out. She and her mom did all the kitchen work, and there was a lot of it. Her dad watched sports on TV. :ROFLMAO:

Sweet things go over well for the holidays, and homemade sweets are always appreciated.

I gave homemade vanilla extract several years to family, friends and customers. Some of them did baking, but the ones who didn't re-gifted them to people close to them who did bake (as I requested).

CD
 
PG's are not frozen... or at least not the ones I've bought. I have frozen them but after I brought them home. Apologize if I mislead.

To me the lighter bechamel seems to compliment the salmon and carry it whereas I should think a hollandaise would try to outshine the salmon. Hollandaise is good with the asparagus but it is sort of a more traditional common veg for salmon.
In a casserole type pie setting I see nothing wrong with the peas, better than asparagus actually.
So you've got both going for the different food groups.

Of course it all boils down - for me - I don't like any fish, salmon or not in a casserole - pie setting. LOL so that answers the question for me! 🤣

PG's are not frozen... or at least not the ones I've bought. I have frozen them but after I brought them home. Apologize if I mislead.

To me the lighter bechamel seems to compliment the salmon and carry it whereas I should think a hollandaise would try to outshine the salmon. Hollandaise is good with the asparagus but it is sort of a more traditional common veg for salmon.
In a casserole type pie setting I see nothing wrong with the peas, better than asparagus actually.
So you've got both going for the different food groups.

Of course it all boils down - for me - I don't like any fish, salmon or not in a casserole - pie setting. LOL so that answers the question for me! 🤣
Sometimes in Quebec and Ontario they'll offer some entrees fresh to their retailers but right on their website they say they're frozen, that's what they do, sell frozen products. And it's not a bechamel in the traditional sense it's flour and cornstarch and a bunch of emulsifiers with milk powder etc that resembles a thick white sauce.

It appears they are a quality company and are mindful of the ingredient's they put in their product but they still use sodium phosphate, modified starches, emulsifiers, and preservatives used to standardize texture and shelf life.

I suspect I would probably enjoy these but personally I try to keep assembly line food production foods to a minimum mostly for health reasons and I can cook, so I would prefer just to make my own.

Here's the ingredients and compared to most processed food, not bad really, but again, not for me personally.

Ingredients Filling: Fish broth (water, fish stock base (salt, glucose solids, hydrolyzed soy and corn protein, corn starch, flavour, dehydrated vegetables (onions, carrots, red and green bell peppers, leeks), canola oil, maltodextrin, caramel powder, spices, lemon juice solids, natural flavour, sugar, soy sauce)), Pacific pink salmon (pink salmon, water, sodium phosphate), Shrimp (shrimp, water, salt, sodium phosphate, sulphites), Mushrooms, Celery, Canola oil, Leeks, Skimmed milk powder, Enriched flour, Modified corn starch, Onions, Mono and diglycerides, Salt, Spices, Herbs. Pastry: Unbleached wheat flour, Modified palm oil, Canola oil, Water, Butter, Sugars (dextrose, sugar), Salt, Vinegar, Liquid whole egg (for a golden crust), Flavour, Calcium propionate
 
If you want to do something special with salmon come the Spring - look up Laura Calder's Salmon en Croute. Marvelous! Pretty sure you'll love it. I can't find my own picture but this is hers. Mine was a lot flatter looking but just as delicious.
View attachment 78058

As a type of 'Wellington' there was no sauce involved although she does use some of the asparagus and some creme fraiche pureed.
Okay, that I would probably try. That looks amazing. The big salmon pie posted a little ways back however? I dunno. I'd probably try that one as well, but I have a love/hate relationship with salmon. On one hand, I absolutely love salmon patties (with pea sauce! gotta have the pea sauce!) made with either canned or fresh cooked salmon. But eating salmon on its own as a big filet, I don't do that very well.

I know that sounds silly, but I like fish that isn't too fishy. And, as we all know, salmon is a very strong flavor.
 
I know that sounds silly, but I like fish that isn't too fishy.
Exactly - which is one of the reasons I can't eat leftovers of salmon or any other fish.
But salmon Wellington is close, lol.
LOL yup, it is baked in a crust, but not a sauce/gravy surrounding like a pie. That fishy taste permeates the whole thing and starts up my gag reflex.
they'll offer some entrees fresh to their retailers but right on their website they say they're frozen, that's what they do, sell frozen products.
Ahh, you know, I only got them fresh and never realized. Would just pick them up at the IGA when I saw.
LOL I never said they were healthy! But they are a delicious convenience meal! and really do taste "fresh".
All convenience foods almost always have to have preservatives incorporated. Otherwise there would be no shelf-life and the companies would suffer growth for other than just their immediate areas, no?

and thanks for the input - nice to know that they do have a nice outlook to better quality ingredients.
 
LOL yup, it is baked in a crust, but not a sauce/gravy surrounding like a pie. That fishy taste permeates the whole thing and starts up my gag reflex.
You know, that might be why it doesn't appeal to me. It wouldn't be because of a gag reflex, it just doesn't sound...good. Maybe because I like salmon by itself (not touching anything else) and always have, unless it's in sushi (with fresh cucumber and the like) or to top a salad. It does have a strong and assertive taste.
 
Exactly - which is one of the reasons I can't eat leftovers of salmon or any other fish.

LOL yup, it is baked in a crust, but not a sauce/gravy surrounding like a pie. That fishy taste permeates the whole thing and starts up my gag reflex.

Ahh, you know, I only got them fresh and never realized. Would just pick them up at the IGA when I saw.
LOL I never said they were healthy! But they are a delicious convenience meal! and really do taste "fresh".
All convenience foods almost always have to have preservatives incorporated. Otherwise there would be no shelf-life and the companies would suffer growth for other than just their immediate areas, no?

and thanks for the input - nice to know that they do have a nice outlook to better quality ingredients.
I haven't made this for a while but I've made Salmon en Croute going back to my apprentice days working in a few French restaurants, and I might make it again, it's very tasty and easy to make. Store bought puff is ok or from a pastry shop is probably better. It's not a bechamel and used a boursin style cheese with mushroom duxelles and spinach.
 
hmmm, the boursin style cheese, mushroom duxelles and spinach - sounds very good! so no asparagus at all? replaced with the spinach?
Oh boy! a toss up between two favourites!
Spinach when asparagus is not available or out of season?
or depending if you favour one over the other... LOL
 
hmmm, the boursin style cheese, mushroom duxelles and spinach - sounds very good! so no asparagus at all? replaced with the spinach?
Oh boy! a toss up between two favourites!
Spinach when asparagus is not available or out of season?
or depending if you favour one over the other... LOL
Well personally I would never use asparagus because they're fibrous and firm, which creates a hard bite with a lot of residual water as well inside the pastry. Instead of a smooth unctuous bite that is rich, silky, and mouth‑coating it's rather astringent with a conflicting mouthfeel, in my opinion. It looks good though, I will give it that. I would however serve asparagus as a side vegetable.
 
I actually had a "cheffie moment" when I made them. I remembered that often asparagus retains that water - I dried them well, think I even cooked them the day before and stored them on paper towels, the other one did raw. Can't now remember if one was better than the other so... there goes my "cheffy moment"! 😏
 
Well personally I would never use asparagus because they're fibrous and firm, which creates a hard bite with a lot of residual water as well inside the pastry. Instead of a smooth unctuous bite that is rich, silky, and mouth‑coating it's rather astringent with a conflicting mouthfeel, in my opinion. It looks good though, I will give it that. I would however serve asparagus as a side vegetable.
I don't know, I think that thin, wispy asparagus would work. I like that better than those thick spears anyway.
 
hmmm, the boursin style cheese, mushroom duxelles and spinach - sounds very good! so no asparagus at all? replaced with the spinach?
Oh boy! a toss up between two favourites!
Spinach when asparagus is not available or out of season?
or depending if you favour one over the other... LOL
No it's not one or the other.

Like I said I would never use asparagus and using spinach has a totally different bite to it and one that's more united and harmonious with the puff pastry and the luxurious and uncious mouthfeel, as opposed to the abrasive and fibrous snap of the asparagus, it's that simple and of course just my opinion as a chef and like I said the asparagus would make a better side to the Salmon en Croute.
 
Sure it's really about preference but I wouldn't use either. I might however use caramelized shallots. :unsure:
Yeah, I do like caramelized onions/shallots, but I don't see that pairing well with salmon (IMO) and it's not something I would choose if I saw it on a menu. Different strokes for different folks...

Edit: I do like (raw) shallots on a bagel with cream cheese, capers, and smoked salmon (and avocado if I have any).
 
Back
Top Bottom