What IS cooked?

[grumpyoldman]

i never meant to make this thread about me , it was meant to question what the word "cooked " meant , i just used what did happen 40+ years ago as an example of why seared meat can not be considered "cooked "
but its all good

 

[dragnlaw]

Understood grumpy! as you say 'all good'.

Well, for me - anything that has heat applied in some way = cooked.

Which is why, I personally, do not consider ceviche as cooked! As I've stated many times - I don't care what the science says - it is NOT cooked.

 

[caseydog]

Which is why, I personally, do not consider ceviche as cooked! As I've stated many times - I don't care what the science says - it is NOT cooked.

Based on the premise of the OP, dip your fingers into a vat of acid and see if the results are similar to a cutting torch. Fingers ceviche.

Then there is the microwave oven. The food molecules are cooking themselves.

CD

 

[Kathleen]

Scientifically, cooked means that a substance (food) has undergone chemical or physical change due to an application of energy (usually heat). These changes are usually one of the following: protein denaturation, water loss, browning (Maillard reactions,) softening, or starch gelatinization. When "cooking", one hopes to make food more flavorful, digestible, or texturally different than its raw state by causing transformation via reactions that alter structure and composition. This often causes an increase in safety. So, dear @dragnlaw, ceviche is cooked as the acid causes the protein to denature turning the seafood firmer like heat-cooked fish.

Grumpy, your fingers or whatever is technically "cooked" when you get any kind of burn regardless of the source or severity. Only the skin that is burned is technically cooked. Once the protein denatures, it will not heal. New skin will replace it.

 

[grumpyoldman]

hiya Caseydog, i wondered when you would join in

dragnlaw : i went and got my step ladder but i still couldn't reach that word "ceviche" so would you mind flying a little lower

Scientifically, cooked means that a substance (food) has undergone chemical or physical change due to an application of energy (usually heat). These changes are usually one of the following: protein denaturation, water loss, browning (Maillard reactions,) softening, or starch gelatinization. When "cooking", one hopes to make food more flavorful, digestible, or texturally different than its raw state by causing transformation via reactions that alter structure and composition. This often causes an increase in safety. So, dear @dragnlaw, ceviche is cooked as the acid causes the protein to denature turning the seafood firmer like heat-cooked fish.

holy tea kettle !!! i don't think anyone without a medical degree and understand that

 

[Kathleen]

holy tea kettle !!! i don't think anyone without a medical degree and understand that

My ninth grade physical science students were able to get it. My tenth grade bio-chem students could demonstrate it.

Physical change is a middle school concept.

 

[grumpyoldman]

kathleen , i have only gotten a drivers license , an electrical license and a pilots license in my lifetime, i never got around to getting a cooking license

 

[dragnlaw]

Scientifically, cooked means that a substance (food) has undergone chemical or physical change due to an application of energy (usually heat).

So, dear @dragnlaw, ceviche is cooked as the acid causes the protein to denature turning the seafood firmer like heat-cooked fish.

Still science, no? I repeat and repeat again - don't care what science says... in my book - it is not cooked.

ahhhh, my poor father, the chemical engineer - turning over in his grave, listening to his daughter spout such profanities!

 

[grumpyoldman]

the point to this entire discussion is this ; anyone that claims a piece of meat is cooked when in fact is merely "warm " to the touch can not say it is "cooked " on a hot summer day outside it can get to the temp many claim is cooked , had my fingers been "cooked " i would be sitting here missing two fingers which as you can see in my little picture i have all my fingers

 

[Kathleen]

kathleen , i have only gotten a drivers license , an electrical license and a pilots license in my lifetime, i never got around to getting a cooking license

At least one of those indicate that you graduated high school or got an equivalency. I'm not a chef, but I tend to expect most to get high school science. Plus, didn't you cook professionally somewhere? One would think you would understand the basics of cooking. Your entire fingers were obviously not cooked, but the burned skin was.

@dragnlaw He would also tell you that it's cooked.

 

[caseydog]

Still science, no? I repeat and repeat again - don't care what science says... in my book - it is not cooked.

ahhhh, my poor father, the chemical engineer - turning over in his grave, listening to his daughter spout such profanities!

My dad was a Chemical Engineer, who worked for Oil Companies his whole career.

CD

 

[dragnlaw]

Ahh ... so you are saying your dad loved ceviche!

 

[caseydog]

Ahh ... so you are saying your dad loved ceviche!

I don't know if he ever had it. He was pretty flexible when it came to eating.

CD

 

[pictonguy]

Still science, no? I repeat and repeat again - don't care what science says... in my book - it is not cooked.

ahhhh, my poor father, the chemical engineer - turning over in his grave, listening to his daughter spout such profanities!

So is anything raw out of the question then? like tartare or sushi?

 

[The Ghan]

@grumpyoldman I'm with you on this, just because something is hot - doesn't mean it is cooked

 

[Kathleen]

@grumpyoldman I'm with you on this, just because something is hot - doesn't mean it is cooked

Hot alone? That does not mean it is cooked. However, when the physical/chemical changes occur and proteins denature, etc. it becomes cooked. Disagree? Cool. Go un-cook that egg for me, would ya?

 

[dragnlaw]

So is anything raw out of the question then? like tartare or sushi?

Semantics...

 

[dragnlaw]

Hot alone? That does not mean it is cooked. However, when the physical/chemical changes occur and proteins denature, etc. it becomes cooked. Disagree? Cool. Go un-cook that egg for me, would ya?

Again... Semantics!

 

[Kathleen]

Again... Semantics!

Shouldn't you be prepping your lipids to leg across national boundaries?

 

[Kathleen]

So is anything raw out of the question then? like tartare or sushi?

I think she likes apples.