I have seen pickling vinegar, seasonally. I only recently came across 12% cleaning vinegar. Also, a lot of cider vinegar doesn't list the acid percentage, so it shouldn't be used for canning. My rice wine vinegar is 4.5%.
What is the use of vinegar and tea in cleaning?
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GotGarlic
Chef Extraordinaire
Organic doesn't necessarily mean safe.
I mean, when to use vinegar, tea, or baking soda. I forget about the details.
Marlingardener
Sous Chef
As GotGarlic said, organic doesn't necessarily mean safe. But the horticultural vinegar leaves no residue in the soil, and is not toxic to pets or pollinators, as some weed killers are.
We get ours from a local nursery, who orders it for us. They are on our Christmas cookie list!
We get ours from a local nursery, who orders it for us. They are on our Christmas cookie list!
That's interesting Marlingardener, I'll have to check at our local nurseries, Thanks!
Roll_Bones
Master Chef
I guess thats why I use the vinegar straight from the bottle. No diluting is what I mean.
My aquariums have no smell. Bad or good. Any odors are a sign of trouble. I make certain I change 50% of the water in each tank per week. Vacuum the substrate and build a vigorous bacteria colony in the filters.
Not that I would do it but You could drink it safely.
GotGarlic
Chef Extraordinaire
It's toxic to insects and microbes in the soil. In fact, it essentially sterilizes the soil, making it impossible for anything to grow there. It can also be dangerous, if not poisonous, to pollinators and pets, as well as people, since the strong acid can burn skin and damage eyes.
For more information, https://extension.umd.edu/resource/vinegar-alternative-glyphosate
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Interesting article. I was considering using it in cracks in the concrete walkway that goes past our house. It wouldn't really matter if it sterilized the soil, since it's not soil so much as accumulated dirt that the weeds grow in. But, it doesn't work well on stuff with tap roots, like dandelion. I guess I'll just keep yanking those out.
Do you, or anyone else for that matter, happen to know what "gpa" stands for? It's obviously an abbreviation for some sort of unit of how much of something per some unit of area. I couldn't find it in a 'net search. Here's where I find the abbreviation used,
I just figured it out. It's gallons per acre. I'm just not used to thinking in US measure other than a bit for cups, quarts, fluid ounces, and tablespoons, and teaspoons.
Marlingardener
Sous Chef
I stand corrected.
pepperhead212
Executive Chef
When I use vinegar as a weed killer, I don't use it as a cover-all spray, like commercial growers do with weed killers - just a spot spray, on certain weeds, that pulling doesn't help much with. And I never have a problem with pollinators, or worms or other insects in the soil.
I found it amusing that that article compared the cost of glyphosate and the optional alternatives by "cost per mile", and of course, the glyphosate is much cheaper, thus still used all over, despite all the lawsuits, and that Bayer says they are taking it off the market (but that will only be the retail market). And they had the lists of pros and cons of the vinegar, the pros in a column with very small letters, and the cons in the column with regular size letters. I wonder who sponsored that article?
I found it amusing that that article compared the cost of glyphosate and the optional alternatives by "cost per mile", and of course, the glyphosate is much cheaper, thus still used all over, despite all the lawsuits, and that Bayer says they are taking it off the market (but that will only be the retail market). And they had the lists of pros and cons of the vinegar, the pros in a column with very small letters, and the cons in the column with regular size letters. I wonder who sponsored that article?
CharlieD
Chef Extraordinaire
the only "cleaning" use for tea I know, is a very strong tea to wash persons eyes when somebody is having pink eye.
GotGarlic
Chef Extraordinaire
Glyphosate is used primarily by farmers for commercial crops (not vegetables), so the article was geared primarily for them. I shared it for the information about horticultural vinegar. While you may be knowledgeable about how to use it properly, not everyone is. Many people think that because it has the same name as a substance they use regularly that it's not harmful, but it can be dangerous.
Juries are not good evaluators of environmental science and are easily persuaded by emotional stories, so I wouldn't put a lot of faith in their verdicts on this. It's widely used by farmers not just because it's inexpensive but because it's the most effective way to deal with the problems they're facing. It's a whole lot easier to manage weeds in a single yard than hundreds of acres of farmland.
Regarding the list of pros and cons, there must be some sort of browser glitch going on because they're the same size in mine.
The article was "sponsored" by the USDA through the Cooperative Extension Service. If you want more information about the science of glyphosate, here's a nicely organized set of articles written by a Swedish cell biologist. It starts with this: "The basics:G lyphosate is a modified glycine-molecule (the smallest of our essential amino acids) which has a phosphoric acid (or to be exact, phosphonomethyl) group attached at the end (GLYcine PHOSphonATE). You can find out more about the specifics here. This small molecule binds to an enzyme in plants and many bacteria, which they need in order to synthesise a class of amino acids (aromatic ones). If the plants cannot synthesise these amino acids, after a number of days they will die. Animals do not have this enzyme. Instead, we rely entirely on our diet to provide us with these aromatic amino acids (Trypthophan and Phenylalanine – and Tyrosine, also an aromatic, can be synthesized from Phenylalanine), which means that the inhibitory effect of glyphosate has no direct target in our cells."
17 Questions About Glyphosate
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Sir_Loin_of_Beef
Chef Extraordinaire
You pour the vinegar into to a pot or pan with baked on crud, then sit and have a cup of tea while it soaks. If the crud doesn't come off, you move on to tea and sympathy.
HeyItsSara
Sous Chef
i also didn't know the have different strengths. i only get the one kind.
