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So I'm looking to begin cooking with wine more often. The thing is, I've never really developed a proper 'taste' for wine, if you would.

Most wine recipes state to use a wine that you would drink. I can drink cheap wine that costs like, $10 a bottle. I can TRULY appreciate wine that costs $40 a bottle, but that's kind of expensive.

What constitutes 'good' wine, and how much am I looking to pay for each bottle?
 
If you prefer run of the mill, buy any of the popular wines available at the local supermarket or liquor store. If you're more discriminant, check out a wine shop where the sales person can point you in the right direction. If you're really adventurous, you can join one of the many on line wine clubs and they'll sell you wines from small vineyards and wineries that their buyers know and trust. Clubs like Laithwaites, Wall Street Journal (WSJ), Wine Insiders, First Leaf, Splash, and the list goes on and on. They usually offer special prices on 6 bottles or 12 bottles of wine, in red, white or both, and they have wines from literally all over the world. And if you get a wine that you don't like, they will replace it or give you a refund. As you see, you can biuld a decent wine collection fairly quickly with this method.

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This was my wine cellar, literally, at my father's house when I was caring for him.

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I still have some of those wines, and all of those racks, here in Sandy Eggo. Unfortunately, we have no cellars in Sandy Eggo.
 
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You can get an acceptable bottle of drinking wine for around $14 to $16. A good quality for around $24 or $26. I would not pay more than that. I'm not sure what the prices are in your area, I'm talking Ontario, from Toronto up to the Quebec border.

Our LCBO (Liquor Control Board Ontario) and SAQ (Société Alcools Quebec) are provincial boards controlling the sales. I assume you also have a board there.

Sherry, Port, Vermouth often used is very reasonably priced.
Sake very reasonable (but can also be very expensive, beware!)
These are used in Asian cookery but can also be used elsewhere.
 
When you drink that $10 bottle of wine, do you enjoy it? If so, then I would try it in a dish that doesn't use expensive ingredients, just in case you don't like it.

I'm not sure about the LCBO, but many of the staff at the SAQ stores can be very helpful in choosing wine. I agree with @dragnlaw's assessment of price range for those two qualities of wine. But, sometimes you can get some nice stuff for less.
 
So I'm looking to begin cooking with wine more often. The thing is, I've never really developed a proper 'taste' for wine, if you would.

Most wine recipes state to use a wine that you would drink. I can drink cheap wine that costs like, $10 a bottle. I can TRULY appreciate wine that costs $40 a bottle, but that's kind of expensive.

What constitutes 'good' wine, and how much am I looking to pay for each bottle?

I keep those single-serving bottles of Sutter Home wines in my pantry. I use as much or as little as I want. That is "good enough" for me to drink, and I've been very pleased with it for cooking.

The best thing about those little bottles is that I don't have to open a normal size bottle of wine to cook with, when I only need a small amount for what I'm cooking. I can keep a supply of red and white wine on hand, and use it as I need it.

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So I'm looking to begin cooking with wine more often. The thing is, I've never really developed a proper 'taste' for wine, if you would.

Most wine recipes state to use a wine that you would drink. I can drink cheap wine that costs like, $10 a bottle. I can TRULY appreciate wine that costs $40 a bottle, but that's kind of expensive.

What constitutes 'good' wine, and how much am I looking to pay for each bottle?
Well I can only give you my opinion and with wine, like food there's an abundance of them so keep that in mind.

First of all if someone is new to wine and that 10.00 bottle tastes good, then it is good, full stop.

So in my opinion the "balance" is important enough to make this aspect the #1 indicator that a wine in "good" and a good wine shouldn't ever feel lopsided so basically we're looking for harmony among the acidity, which represents freshness along with sweetness, if any, and reds will have tannins, which is bitter and of course alcohol which indicates the intensity or heat of a wine and when these aspects are in harmony and no one thing sticks out and feels harsh the wine can be considered in balance and a quality wine. A good wine will never feel lopsided.

Also there's a thing called "length" which basically indicates how long the flavor lingers in your mouth. If the wine balance is basically gone after a few seconds I would consider that a good and simple everyday wine. If the wine lasts for up to and around 7 seconds, then dissipates, that is generally considered a better wine and anything longer is of a higher quality.

The next characteristic I want is referred to as "complexity" A lot of times I'll try a new wine and it's taste pretty good but all I can taste is say "cherry" well that's ok but if a wine has other characteristic along with the main one like the faint taste of spice as in pepper or vanilla, and earth tones like wet stone, or grass and then herbs like thyme and sage for example, that more complex and for most people more enjoyable, it is for me and indicates a better wine.

Also the "body" of a wine is very important and generally an immediate indicator of quality, and without going into the required details of what I would say is, once you take a sip of wine and allow it to sit on your tongue it should feel voluptuous, silky and creamy and mouth filling as opposed to collapsing and falling off the tongue like a cliff, you'll understand once you see it in action.

I think this is a good starting place and remember there's really fabulous 12.00 wines and really disappointing 60.00 wines, so understanding these simple and introductory rules will help most people. Reading about wine or me telling you anything about wine is like learning to cook, you have to get involved and taste and trust your instincts. Cheer's
 
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We like to drink nice wine. Too expensive to cook with it.

IMO, when they say to cook with a wine you would drink, it means a wine that is drinkable (not disgusting).

I wouldn’t overthink cooking with wine.

I use $12 bottles of Pinot Grigio (light, unoaked white) or Pinot Noir (lighter body red).

I’d advise against using Chardonnay and heavier or tannin forward reds.

Don’t forget that you can freeze wine. I always have pre measured cups in the freezer when I don’t have an open bottle.
 
I personally find that less expensive whites are much more forgiving than less expensive reds. I can drink a cheaper white more often than not, but reds, forget about it. That being said, I think $10-$15 is a fine starting point for a decent wine for either drinking or cooking. I have found quite drinkable whites for as low as $6, but I'd stay above $10 for reds.

And the above posters have given you some very useful information!
 
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At one time we could buy wine as samplers/one drink bottles. Perhaps a little smaller than the small 4 packs of wine available in the states. I really wish we had those here. I loved them when I was traveling a lot!

I once tried freezing some in ice cube trays - but wine here is never around long enough to freeze.

I have some recipes for red wine sauces I will post separately.
Try a shot of red wine (maybe a cup?) into your tomato sauces. Amazing.
 
I like a screw top bottle for cooking wine. Not interesting in vaccum sealing it each time with a cork.
 
Oh yeah, never buy that cheap cooking wine from the main grocery aisle (like Holland brand Sherry and Marsala). It's awful. Splurge for a good one from the wine department.
 
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When you drink that $10 bottle of wine, do you enjoy it? If so, then I would try it in a dish that doesn't use expensive ingredients, just in case you don't like it.

I'm not sure about the LCBO, but many of the staff at the SAQ stores can be very helpful in choosing wine. I agree with @dragnlaw's assessment of price range for those two qualities of wine. But, sometimes you can get some nice stuff for less.
That last 'cheap' bottle of wine I drank, it tasted okay when I was drinking it, but then afterwards, I look back on it and realize I didn't like it? Does that make sense?

I'm not sure what's in those cheap bottles, sulfites maybe? When I drank that $40 bottle of wine that was like a magical experience. I was literally TRANSPORTED to where it was produced, I smelled the top of the bottle and I could smell the area where it was bottled in France. Nice beautiful countryside kind of smell. And I could taste grass, like pictonguy mentioned. Everything kind of blended together nicely but the alcohol wasn't overpowering. It was a very botanical experience.

When it comes to those cheap bottles (that more often than not come from BC), all I smell is alcohol and grapes. And taste bitterness.
 
Oh yeah, never buy that cheap cooking wine from the main grocery aisle (like Holland brand Sherry and Marsala). It's awful. Splurge for a good one from the wine department.
stuff sold as "cooking wine" in grocery stores got to being sold there by the addition of so much salt, the wine is undrinkable . . .
there's a reason it's awful . . .
 
A lot of good wine now-a-days comes with screw caps. Plus there are good wines in boxes now too!
I know inn Quebec and I will assume Ontario that the wine the Liquor Board brings in and sells (no matter the outlet - has to go thru them) they must have a shelf-life of... can't remember if it is a year? So that's where the sulph tes come in. Preservatives.

Could it be that lovely bottle of wine you had was brought back from Europe on someone's vacation?
 
One of the reasons I can't drink commercial wines - especially reds is due to the tannins and sulphites. Tannins give me a gut ache, I get a head ache often within 30 minutes. The next day my sinus's swell up and try to kill me.
So I make my own wine, mostly whites (kits) and a Merlot. There is hardly any sulphites put in at all - it's not around long enough, 😁. A bit more in the Merlot as it lasts a lot longer. I use it for recipes and drink what left, once in a while is OK and I'm talking perhaps once a month.
 
My husband makes wine with his cousins every year. Grapes from California are trucked into this place up on lake Erie where they buy them, bring them back to Akron, and crush them using their great-grandfather's wine press, them the juice is transferred into 5 gallon carboys until ready for bottling. They mostly make old vine zinfandel, merlot, and cabernet, sometimes blends.

I'm in Texas at my brother's house and I bought a bottle of cabernet from the store last week. I then realized how spoiled I've become. It was a $12 bottle and wasn't horrible, but not nearly as good as what I'm used to drinking.
 
That last 'cheap' bottle of wine I drank, it tasted okay when I was drinking it, but then afterwards, I look back on it and realize I didn't like it? Does that make sense?

I'm not sure what's in those cheap bottles, sulfites maybe? When I drank that $40 bottle of wine that was like a magical experience. I was literally TRANSPORTED to where it was produced, I smelled the top of the bottle and I could smell the area where it was bottled in France. Nice beautiful countryside kind of smell. And I could taste grass, like pictonguy mentioned. Everything kind of blended together nicely but the alcohol wasn't overpowering. It was a very botanical experience.

When it comes to those cheap bottles (that more often than not come from BC), all I smell is alcohol and grapes. And taste bitterness.

I don't particularly like red wines, or French wines. For just drinking, I like German wines, of German style California or Texas wines. Most vineyards in Texas produce grapes for German varieties of wine, probably due to the large number of Germans who settled in the part of Texas where grapes grow best.

I cook mostly with Sauvignon Blanc. Here is a dish I really like.


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