Callisto in NC
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Bilby ~ you said your mother used to do the under the sink with ham? Ham is completely different than turkey. In our stores ham isn't even in coolers.
I'm just curious as to the differences - I sincerely want to know what the differences in handling are that you think makes raw poultry safer from one source than another.
btw, you're comparing apples to oranges when you compare ground beef (the cause of most cases of e. coli that I'm aware of) and whole poultry. But since we're doing that you may remember a couple of years ago a recall of organic spinach (among other leafy products) due to e. coli contamination: FDA Announces Findings from Investigation of Foodborne E. coli O157:H7 Outbreak in Spinach Many people think organic foods are safer, but that's not necessarily the case.
Sorry, I mistyped that. I meant to say half of all children died before their *fifth* birthday, and wouldn't you know, I can't find a reference for that. But I did find this: "(In 1850 almost half of all English children died before reaching their fifth birthday; Crowther, 1967)"
Do a page search for "fifth birthday": Science, civilization and society I'd guess the stats are similar for the U.S.
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He's talking about cured ham, not raw poultry.
And you don't think using Spinach as an example isn't using an "apples to oranges" comparison?
To the original post, I would not eat it period. I also would not be dining on leftovers from Thanksgiving as long as some folks on here seem to do. Just me.
it's been 3 hours since I ate some...... wife is using me as a guinea pig - if I'm fine, then we'll feed the kids.. :P
If that was meant for me, Elaine, they're frozen.
...Tell ya what - you go visit a Commercial Poultry processing plant - then visit a small poultry farm and you tell me the differnces in how the birds are handled..
The hams are both in cans and vacuum sealed and, no, they are not refridgerated. Curing helps preserve them. I've been on the east coast 4 years now and I see it all the time. If you were here, you'd likely eat it because that's how it goes. The fact is, comparing a ham and a turkey is like comparing a kangaroo to an emu. While they both can't walk backwards, one has fur and is a mammal, the other has feathers and is a bird. Both produce meat, but it's not handled the same. The same is true for ham and turkey.Okay, someone asked me about the ham brining point. I made reference to our ham due to Post #27 which refered to brining meat or poultry and the best practice thereof. And if a ham was sitting around without any form of chilling in a shop, I would not be buying it. And if that is standard practice in that locale, I would just not eat ham! Simple!
I wasn't referring to anything from a can or vacuum sealed. Yes I would eat canned ham. Do here. Unrefrigerated vacuum packed ham - no. I still wouldn't. There are a lot of food practices in the world that I would shy from. I was referring to brining legs of ham, not canned, not vacuum packed.