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Old 09-17-2004, 07:26 PM   #11
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Okay. You kids have finally hit upon a subject near and dear to my heart. And what I have to say on the subject of diets, in general, is not widely appreciated, but it is certainly widely proven in clinical circles. Just ask your own doctor!

Beyond our individual genetic predisposition toward weight (were your parents, grandparents heavy or thin?), whether or not a person gains or loses weight is very simple. It all hinges upon using up more calories than you consume. Period. The leading causes of death in the US today -- stroke, heart disease, diabetes -- are directly attributable to what we eat, how little (if any) we exercise, and the levels of stress in our daily lives. Lasting weight loss requires the same thing as creating a healthier retirement: a lifestyle change!

I wholly agree that we, as a culture, consume way too many carbohydrates. But I'm going to be honest and tell you that "Low-Carb" diets wreak more harm than you can imagine upon your cardiovascular system, and for a diabetic is the absolute kiss of crisis. The idea of throwing your body voluntarily into a state of ketosis scares the dickens out of me! And I know the effects firsthand -- I help my patients cope with the consequences every day.

Let me also add here that I have never had a patient with problems caused by the Weight-Watchers Diet. To me, it is a very sensible approach and I'm all for it.

Unfortunately, it seems we Yanks have a cultural need for a "quick fix." This "need" is so deeply ingrained into our society, we have become easy prey by savvy marketers. Trust me, there is NO quick fix to weight loss!

Boys and girls, please do yourselves (and selfishly to me) a favor: accept your genetic predispositions to size and weight...give up on being skinny at the age of 45 (unless you have a genetic predisposition to same) and just go get HEALTHY!

Eat more fruits and vegetables! Lay off so many starches! Cut down on the amounts of saturated fats you consume! Remember that too much of anything is no longer a good thing and cut down on the amount of food you eat! And MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, get your royal laurels up-- at any point in the day -- and get your heart revving! Go for a long, FAST walk; pull out the bicycle and terrorize the neighborhood kids; pump some weight using cans from your pantry...but GET ACTIVE!!!!!

Please forgive the diatribe. And understand that I have an increasingly vested interest in your health -- I love it here, and all of you is why!
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Old 09-17-2004, 07:47 PM   #12
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Okay. You kids have finally hit upon a subject near and dear to my heart. And what I have to say on the subject of diets, in general, is not widely appreciated, but it is certainly widely proven in clinical circles. Just ask your own doctor!

Beyond our individual genetic predisposition toward weight (were your parents, grandparents heavy or thin?), whether or not a person gains or loses weight is very simple. It all hinges upon using up more calories than you consume. Period. The leading causes of death in the US today -- stroke, heart disease, diabetes -- are directly attributable to what we eat, how little (if any) we exercise, and the levels of stress in our daily lives. Lasting weight loss requires the same thing as creating a healthier retirement: a lifestyle change!

I wholly agree that we, as a culture, consume way too many carbohydrates. But I'm going to be honest and tell you that "Low-Carb" diets wreak more harm than you can imagine upon your cardiovascular system, and for a diabetic is the absolute kiss of crisis. The idea of throwing your body voluntarily into a state of ketosis scares the dickens out of me! And I know the effects firsthand -- I help my patients cope with the consequences every day.

Let me also add here that I have never had a patient with problems caused by the Weight-Watchers Diet. To me, it is a very sensible approach and I'm all for it.

Unfortunately, it seems we Yanks have a cultural need for a "quick fix." This "need" is so deeply ingrained into our society, we have become easy prey by savvy marketers. Trust me, there is NO quick fix to weight loss!

Boys and girls, please do yourselves (and selfishly to me) a favor: accept your genetic predispositions to size and weight...give up on being skinny at the age of 45 (unless you have a genetic predisposition to same) and just go get HEALTHY!

Eat more fruits and vegetables! Lay off so many starches! Cut down on the amounts of saturated fats you consume! Remember that too much of anything is no longer a good thing and cut down on the amount of food you eat! And MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, get your royal laurels up-- at any point in the day -- and get your heart revving! Go for a long, FAST walk; pull out the bicycle and terrorize the neighborhood kids; pump some weight using cans from your pantry...but GET ACTIVE!!!!!

Please forgive the diatribe. And understand that I have an increasingly vested interest in your health -- I love it here, and all of you is why!
Well said, as usual, Audeo. Sensible and eloquent.
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Old 09-20-2004, 07:27 PM   #13
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Don't want to be confrontational, but I think that inside every fat person there is a thin person struggling to get out. If weight is genetic, why is the the percentage of fat/obese increasing every year? To me, it's simple - people are eating more, much more, every year. I'm to the point where I can't even go to a buffet any more - I used to like them because I could get a good sampling of a variety of foods - but now the customers make it look like a slop tank at a hog farm.
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Old 09-21-2004, 09:43 AM   #14
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Otter, I don't find you confrontational at all! Furthermore, I find you 100% correct. Genetics don't decide wholly whether a person will be obese or not, but they most certainly do determine whether or not a person will struggle with weight gain or loss throughout their life.

Obesity has climbed in such epidemic proportions during the last 20 years in our American population that the condition is now qualified as a disease by the Center for Disease Control. Why? Because of the tragic health consequences: high blood pressure, high cholesterol, Type-2 diabetes, glucose intolerance and insulin resistance, coronary heart disease, congestive heart failure, stroke, gout, osteoarthritis, obstructive sleep apnea, asthma, some types of cancer (endometrial, breast, prostate, colon), complications in pregnancy (gestational diabetes, hypertension and pre-eclampsia, as well as operative delivery complications), poor female reproductive health (menstrual irregularities, infertility, irregular ovulation), bladder control problems, and on and on and on. All of these conditions, while they certain occur in the population on their own, have been identified as the direct result of obesity and are increasing at a frightening rate among Americans, especially...and in direct proportion to the increase in obesity.

I completely agree with you when you said "inside every fat person there is a thin person struggling to get out." Our society has done everything in its marketing power to demand that. We are raised on the belief that skinny is beautiful...supported by thousands of daily visuals of near emaciated models with shiny muscles. Heck, tons of research performed among HR folk over the years have shown that obese people are even perceived in our society as being lazy and dismotivated -- and that is absolutely the most insidious and downright STUPID thing I can imagine.

No one, down deep, truly wants to be obese. Yet, reversing obesity is, in my opinion, one of the most difficult tasks on the planet, as well as one of the most important. We humans seek the quick fix, hence the multi-billion dollar market of dieting fads that range widely in effectiveness and additional health consequences. Precious few work, and those that do are more likely the result of a managed nutrition plan coupled with exercise.

In my perfect world, I would have people focus NOT on losing weight, but upon creating a healthier lifestyle, through which weight loss would ultimately come. Beyond pulling up to a dinner table with healthier menus of more fruits, vegetables and grains than fried meats and fat-laden sauces, I want people to recognize that we are a very sedentary society spent behind a desk for the most part and that regular exercise (which in one generation back was a requirement in living our lives) is critical to the health of our bodies.

"If weight is genetic, why is the percentage of fat/obese increasing every year?" The ability to become obese is genetically-determined. The reason why obesity is increasing is two-fold (oversimplified, but true):

1. What we eat (fast food and highly imbalanced diets); and

2. How little, if any, we exercise.

And there is a third critical element to the dilema. Getting healthy, as well as achieving a LASTING weight loss, requires a lifestyle change. And that ain't easy, nor is it remotely pleasant to argue with yourself constantly. As the saying goes, "Old habits die hard." Indeed. And that is why most people choose to ignore subtle symptoms and keep plugging away in their difficult, complicated and fast-paced, busy lives until a crisis occurs (heart attack, stroke, etc.). At that point, faced with the undeniable fact of mortality, people are finally motivated to change.

Good heavens, forgive the verbosity. And may I also add that these are my personal opinions only and certainly not of this board, that so generously has allowed me the opportunity to share same.
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my dad calls this the rice diet. You eat whole grain rice or something like that and eat "rabbit food" and lots of kim chi. I have no clue how he did it. he probably ran a lot too lol. he went from a triple chin sumo to like 120lbs skinny asian.
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Old 09-21-2004, 03:24 PM   #16
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my dad calls this the rice diet. You eat whole grain rice or something like that and eat "rabbit food" and lots of kim chi. I have no clue how he did it. he probably ran a lot too lol. he went from a triple chin sumo to like 120lbs skinny asian.
This sounds great ! why the rabbit though? :D
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"rabbit food" probably meaning lots of lettuce and carrots
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Old 09-22-2004, 12:02 AM   #18
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I just recently, since May, I have lost 35 pounds. What I have done is reduced my portion sizes, I only eat when I am hungry, cut out or reduced the amounts of junk food that I eat, and have been exercising more. I stop eating before I get full. Remember it is not a crime to leave food on your plate or take it home for leftovers. I must say that I feel better than I have felt in years. I have lost 2 pants sizes. It is wonderful.

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Old 10-14-2004, 10:32 AM   #19
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Okay. You kids have finally hit upon a subject near and dear to my heart. And what I have to say on the subject of diets, in general, is not widely appreciated, but it is certainly widely proven in clinical circles. Just ask your own doctor!

Beyond our individual genetic predisposition toward weight (were your parents, grandparents heavy or thin?), whether or not a person gains or loses weight is very simple. It all hinges upon using up more calories than you consume. Period. The leading causes of death in the US today -- stroke, heart disease, diabetes -- are directly attributable to what we eat, how little (if any) we exercise, and the levels of stress in our daily lives. Lasting weight loss requires the same thing as creating a healthier retirement: a lifestyle change!

I wholly agree that we, as a culture, consume way too many carbohydrates. But I'm going to be honest and tell you that "Low-Carb" diets wreak more harm than you can imagine upon your cardiovascular system, and for a diabetic is the absolute kiss of crisis. The idea of throwing your body voluntarily into a state of ketosis scares the dickens out of me! And I know the effects firsthand -- I help my patients cope with the consequences every day.

Let me also add here that I have never had a patient with problems caused by the Weight-Watchers Diet. To me, it is a very sensible approach and I'm all for it.

Unfortunately, it seems we Yanks have a cultural need for a "quick fix." This "need" is so deeply ingrained into our society, we have become easy prey by savvy marketers. Trust me, there is NO quick fix to weight loss!

Boys and girls, please do yourselves (and selfishly to me) a favor: accept your genetic predispositions to size and weight...give up on being skinny at the age of 45 (unless you have a genetic predisposition to same) and just go get HEALTHY!

Eat more fruits and vegetables! Lay off so many starches! Cut down on the amounts of saturated fats you consume! Remember that too much of anything is no longer a good thing and cut down on the amount of food you eat! And MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, get your royal laurels up-- at any point in the day -- and get your heart revving! Go for a long, FAST walk; pull out the bicycle and terrorize the neighborhood kids; pump some weight using cans from your pantry...but GET ACTIVE!!!!!

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All that talk and you never said "weight loss diet." Here is a cheap weight gain diet that I guarantee will work on any non-diabetic. Eat at least 5 lbs. of mashed potatoes every day.
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Old 10-14-2004, 01:10 PM   #20
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I myself have lost 80 pounds and have kept it off for 4+ years. My husband has lost 125+. I can only offer the things that worked for us. I did not follow a 'diet', but rather a lifestyle change.

1.Eat as many whole foods as possible. If it comes in a box or a can, opt out of it. Lots of fresh fruits and veggies, lean protein, and healthy fats such as olive, flax, pumpkin, and canola oils.
2.Limit the amount of refined carbs. Generally 'white' carbs (breads, muffins, rice, potatoes) are the worst offenders. Opt for dark breads, brown rice, and sweet potatoes.
3.Get to know the glycemic index. Go to mendosa.com. Lots of valuable info for everyone, including diabetics.
4.Get as much exercise as possible. People complain they don't have the time. Make the time. It does not have to be a 45 min workout everyday. Try parking the car at the far end of the parking lot and walking in to the store. Take the dog for a walk. Play with your kids in the yard. Dance to great music. Do something to get the heart and the mind moving.

Losing weight takes effort. It is not easy to get started, but the rewards are endless.
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