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View Poll Results: Should the USA Convert to the Metric System?
NO! Absolutely not. Never! 31 39.24%
YES! It's idiotic not to! 30 37.97%
I don't care. What's the difference 6 7.59%
I suppose so, some day 8 10.13%
It's HARD. I'd have to think to follow a recipe 4 5.06%
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Old 07-18-2007, 02:37 PM   #71
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Skilletlicker, I apologize if I offended you. Thank you for clarifying your post for me. I was worried that you were upset.

I must comment on one small point though. You said something about many measurement systems in other countries. The reason this thread got posted at all was in response to a thread I started. I heard on the news that the ENTIRE WORLD uses metric except for the US, and two other small countries (whose names escape me at the moment). GB's post about the two systems is therefore correct.

And I completely understand not wanting to be forced to do something (like change measurement systems). You should have heard my Dad complain about it when the change happened here. He was very loud about it. BUT, only for a short time. And in fact, it was he who taught me how to convert easily between systems. Smart guy.
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Old 07-18-2007, 04:29 PM   #72
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Skilletlicker, I apologize if I offended you. Thank you for clarifying your post for me. I was worried that you were upset.
There is no apolgy called for and I have not been offended. Thank you for your concern. In an earlier post you said, "I have followed this quite closely to be sure this thread stayed on track. People have strong opinions one way or another." You are wise to follow it as it does have the potential to become derailed.
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I must comment on one small point though. You said something about many measurement systems in other countries. The reason this thread got posted at all was in response to a thread I started. I heard on the news that the ENTIRE WORLD uses metric except for the US, and two other small countries (whose names escape me at the moment).

I previousely posted this link to a chronology of legal and regulatory adoption of the metric system in the USA. It seems to me that, ". . .the ENTIRE WORLD uses metric except for the US, . . ." is just flat out wrong. What am I missing?
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GB's post about the two systems is therefore correct.
As for GB's assertion that there are "just two" systems of measurement; here are a few more:
Historical systems of measurement

Main article: History of measurement
Prior to the widespread adoption of the metric system many different systems of official measurement had been in use, many of these remain today, at least in part, in traditional or customary use. Many of these were related to some extent or other. Often they were based on the dimensions of the human body. When the world turned to trade between city-states better systems were needed to enable that mercantile activity. Overtime, the evolution continued as transportation continued to shrink the world, and so what was once an artifact of a pocket kingdom matured into something that was at least workable. Despite the growth and adoption of modern systems like SI around the world for business and governance, such customary systems are still commonly used in day to day life for everyday ordinary household tasks around the world, most notably, in cooking and cookbooks.
Throughout the history of measurement, many of the units that have been used in Europe and around the Mediterranean are variations on older systems originating in the ancient Near East.

Middle Eastern systems of measurementsSouth Asian systems of measurementEast Asian systems of measurementGreco-Roman systems of measurementMedieval European measurements

Medieval European systems of measurement evolved during the Middle Ages (or European Dark Ages) due to the agriculture-intensive way of life. These systems may also be referred to as feudal measurement systems. The measurements were approximate and variable. The measures can be categorized by ever expanding commercial, political and religious spheres of influence.

Eastern European

In Eastern Europe traditional standards of measure were predominantly of Greek originWestern and Northern European

In Western and Northern Europe traditional standards of measure were predominantly of Roman origin:Other historical systems of measurement
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And I completely understand not wanting to be forced to do something (like change measurement systems). You should have heard my Dad complain about it when the change happened here. He was very loud about it. BUT, only for a short time. And in fact, it was he who taught me how to convert easily between systems. Smart guy.
Your Dad sounds like a great guy Alix, and I'm sure that converting completely would be easy. I just can't understand why force would even be considered an option.
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Old 07-18-2007, 04:35 PM   #73
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I do not have time to go through your entire post, but I will speak to one piece. You listed "Hebrew" as one that uses a different until of measurement. While there are still instances of ancient systems that still exist, they are not in common usage as your article says they are (and I bet the same is true for all those other links). I work for an Israeli company and I can tell you that business is done in metric. If you ask an Israeli what unit of measurement they use they will tell you Metric every time.
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skilletlicker, thanks for the HISTORICAL perspective. However, I don't think it's relevant to the current discussion. I believe we re talking about a country's current "official" system.
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Old 07-18-2007, 04:54 PM   #75
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I do not have time to go through your entire post, but I will speak to one piece. You listed "Hebrew" as one that uses a different until of measurement. While there are still instances of ancient systems that still exist, they are not in common usage as your article says they are (and I bet the same is true for all those other links). I work for an Israeli company and I can tell you that business is done in metric. If you ask an Israeli what unit of measurement they use they will tell you Metric every time.
Thanks for taking the time to reply GB. The article claim doesn't claim that all of the systems listed are in common use. Some of them are but I seriously doubt that any are used by multi-national companies. The point was to prove that there are more than "just two" systems.
By the way, I'm a little saddened by the notion that there is not one single guy left in the whole world who still uses old Noah's cubit.
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Old 07-18-2007, 04:56 PM   #76
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skillet, I think Bill Cosby was the last guy to use it - in his routine about Noah.
thanks for the laugh!
and didn't we here in the US used to use something called a gill? I think it's a liquid measure.
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Like i said, I do not have time to go though the whole post (I am at work after all), but your post did say this
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such customary systems are still commonly used in day to day life for everyday ordinary household tasks around the world, most notably, in cooking and cookbooks.
You even bolded it and put it in red.
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skilletlicker, thanks for the HISTORICAL perspective. However, I don't think it's relevant to the current discussion. I believe we re talking about a country's current "official" system.
You're welcome Andy.
The Metric Conversion Act of 1975 "designated the metric system as the preferred system of weights and measures for US trade and commerce, and directed federal agencies to convert to the metric system, to the extent feasible, including the use of metric in construction of federal facilities." That pretty much settled the question of the US "official" system then, didn't it?
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If God wanted us to use the metric system, there would have only been 10 apostles!
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If God wanted us to use the metric system, there would have only been 10 apostles!
Instead, he gave us 10 fingers and 10 toes!
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