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It's even on their web site, although, they're not publicly going to call their grills useless.I believe this is what they told you but I don't believe what they told you to be true.
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It's even on their web site, although, they're not publicly going to call their grills useless.I believe this is what they told you but I don't believe what they told you to be true.
Baking the burger, robbing it of flavor. I don't know how exactly to describe it or the science behind it but searing a burger using intense radiant heat as opposed to baking it (lid close) with convective heat makes all the difference in the world.
Baking the burger, robbing it of flavor. I don't know how exactly to describe it or the science behind it but searing a burger using intense radiant heat as opposed to baking it (lid close) with convective heat makes all the difference in the world.
Hi Andy. Thanks. You are right. I certainly am a rare bird. I do have different standards and you may recall me saying that it was a big eye opener for me to discover that most people (I think I said 99.9%) don't know or don't care about missing flavor elements in their burgers. This is not taking anything away from you, I truly appreciate your opinions. I know the problem is me, don't worry. I've always had good burgers on my grill but that's not good enough for me. I want exceptional. I want memorable. I think I found it.Along with most of the world, I've been grilling burgers with excellent results for decades with the lid down. They are not baked, they have a nice deeply browned exterior with a little char around the edges and the interior is cooked exactly they way I like it. The fact that you can't accomplish this simply means you have different standards and a different grill.
If cooking burgers on a foil covered grill with the lid open gives you the results you want, you're all set. You can accomplish the same results in a skillet on a stove without the foil.
Along with most of the world, I've been grilling burgers with excellent results for decades with the lid down. They are not baked, they have a nice deeply browned exterior with a little char around the edges and the interior is cooked exactly they way I like it. The fact that you can't accomplish this simply means you have different standards and a different grill.
If cooking burgers on a foil covered grill with the lid open gives you the results you want, you're all set. You can accomplish the same results in a skillet on a stove without the foil.
It's even on their web site, although, they're not publicly going to call their grills useless.
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I'm going to have to beg to differ.It's even on their web site, although, they're not publicly going to call their grills useless.
Perhaps there is something wrong with my Genesis, and my last grill, and my parents Siver C, I don't know.I'm going to have to beg to differ.
With the exception of the searing station, I have the same exact grill with the same BTUs, to the best of my knowledge. I made burgers on it just last night, lid up. Not only did I NOT use the searing station, but I also only used two of the three standard burners, and those were turned down part of the way. And yet it was still was plenty hot. So hot, in fact, that it was difficult to reach to the back to flip those burgers without feeling the heat on my arm.
So I don't buy the whole thing about having to have the lid down. And I certainly wouldn't consider my grill "useless," by any means.
Mine is the Genesis E-330. So yes, that certainly could be a difference.Steve, I was just thinking of something else. Is your Genesis an "E" or an "S" model? I was just wondering because the E model has porcelain enameled iron flavorizer bars while the S has stainless steel bars. I know stainless is horrible at radiating heat and I'm wondering if that could be the difference between our grills.
Yes, TVWBB has been helpful, also, but their site is not as active as this one. The responses come in a bit slower.I belong to TVWBB also and have been following your thread there as well. I'm curious to see what other S310 users there have to say about the lid.
Thanks, Steve. Yes, my S-310 has stainless bars and a stainless grate. Also, I have the last generation with the burners running east/west instead of the newer version which run north/south. Another possible difference, maybe?Mine is the Genesis E-330. So yes, that certainly could be a difference.
Just curious. Does the S-line also have stainless steel grates? Mine are cast iron.
I hear ya, considering it's a dedicated Weber only forum.Yes, TVWBB has been helpful, also, but their site is not as active as this one. The responses come in a bit slower.
Thanks for the input RP, I appreciate it. You're right, I've had the unfortunate luck of being one of very few people that notice a pretty big difference between convective cooked burgers and radiant heat seared burgers. Maybe other grillers notice too, but perhaps it's not as important to them as it is to me. To me, it's critical for making a great burger. I can churn out "good" burgers off my grill all day long and everybody loves them. Believe me, I'm the only one that notices, so I understand the problem is with me.I had a Weber Genesis Silver for years. It worked just fine for grilling with the lid up if that was what the cooking called for (things like grilled asparagus, peppers, and yes sometimes burgers). It also worked fine with the lid down (for chicken and such and it definitely didn't taste like oven baked). I also used it with the lid propped part way open (to keep the temp at about 250°) for smoking ribs and pork shoulder. With a bit of care, it did that marvelously too. Just because many things cook well with the lid closed doesn't mean that the grill is useless with the lid up.
We had to leave my Weber behind when we moved to the Bahamas. Now we are back in Colorado, and when we get into our new house in September, a Weber gas grill is going to be my first purchase. I am really looking forward to holding my first grill party.
Maybe the OP is simply looking for something that most of us don't find missing.
[FONT="]Weber said:Our grills cannot be used to cook with the lid open.
Yes, she said it would make no difference.