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Old 06-09-2010, 08:15 PM   #31
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it is unfortunately not only problem in restaurants. Kids are simply not taught any manners today.
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Old 06-10-2010, 05:23 AM   #32
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When I was young (12 or so), my father got fed up with one of my sisters' behavior. She wasn't unruly enough to disturb near-by tables, but she did make the rest of us miserable with fussy eating, pouting, etc. At the time there was a baby sister in the family (so I must have been 13) and my parents were hiring a baby-sitter for her anyway. So they told my 10 year old sis to shape up or the next time she'd stay home with the baby sitter. They followed through. So my parents, me, my 7 year old sister got to go out to eat, my infant sis and 10 year old sister stayed with the sitter. A lot of time punishment for a kid is just not making threats you don't mean, and following through whenever you do. I don't think the 10 year old misbehaved at dinner again. Going out to eat was a huge treat for us, Daddy didn't make that kind of money, so he'd get really angry when someone ruined it for him. Since he was paying a sitter AND taking his daughters out, then he got his money's worth from both!

What I don't think anyone has addressed in this is the safety issue along with the annoyance issue. I was a waitress at a fairly expensive steak place once upon a time, many moons ago, and our water glasses alone weighed a ton (14 oz cut glass). I don't think we served anything flambeed, thank heaven. But if a child is allowed the run of the restaurant, getting under the feet of a wait staff who has many pounds of food on a tray held above her head, some of it hot, well, you have a recipe for a disaster requiring an ambulance. That's not counting the buss staff who have huge tubs of stuff including sharp steak knives. The worst thing that happened to me was a carafe of hollandaise sauce landing on a customer's well-shod foot, but it could have been much worse.
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Old 06-10-2010, 10:19 AM   #33
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t's a rare person who "hates kids" and I'm sure not one of them. Why would anyone conclude that because most people enjoy eating in peace, they hate kids? One has nothing to do with the other.
Kayelle, I think you've misunderstood my statement. I was not referencing you at all. My statement referred directly to the "glarers" who had no basis for being cranky who were seated in the middle of a "FAMILY" restaurant. Anyone who expects to "eat in peace" in the middle of a restaurant that caters to families with children is in for a rude awakening IMO. I'm not saying that parents don't have a responsibility to keep their kids under control, but rather that a certain amount of boisterous activity is better tolerated in that type of establishment. Hope that clarifies things for you.

BT, I've done the stare down a time or two myself. Usually with one brow raised in the "whatchulookinat" position. I had the advantage of two ruffled and curled little girls as well though. That usually got me some melting action from the waitstaff. My girls are teenagers now, and stunningly beautiful if I do say so myself. We STILL encounter sour looks from patrons when we walk into some restaurants as though they expect my girls to dance on tables or something. That really irks me. Seems to me that folks have every bit as much intolerance for teens as they do young children. I've noticed however, it seems the ones who give the snotty looks are the ones gabbing on their cell phones during dinner.
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Old 06-10-2010, 10:30 AM   #34
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Alix, maybe it's not the kids that irk these patrons...
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Old 06-10-2010, 10:34 AM   #35
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Alix, maybe it's not the kids that irk these patrons...
So you're saying I should stop swishing my enormous purse, talking loudly into my cell phone on the way into the restaurant and stop throwing my cutlery around??? Who are YOU to tell ME what I can do????
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Old 06-10-2010, 10:59 AM   #36
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You left out, Chewing a large wad of gum with your mouth open.
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Old 06-10-2010, 11:11 AM   #37
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And commenting about other diners (to the person on my phone) on my way to my table.
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Old 06-10-2010, 12:36 PM   #38
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Just curious, BT. How did YOU behave in restaurants?? Hmmmm?
when i was a kid, we had the "wait 'till your father gets home" kind of discipline in my house. that carried over to eating out. we had to act properly at the dinner table every night at home (washed up, no sleeveless shirts or ripped pants, etc.) or face the wrath of dad who was an excellent manipulator: never had to hit us, but he made you feel so bad for disappointing him that you never did it again.

so when we went out for dinner, no one ever even considered acting badly. we weren't well off by any means, so going out to dinner was a very special occasion. i can remember from a very young age, maybe 6 or 7, really enjoying dining out because you got to dress and act all fancy like we were rich, using the correct fork and having a linen napkin on your lap. i'm sure it's a large part of why i'm here (on foodie websites) today.

that's my point, though. that you need to involve your kids, or should i say be involved with your kids in a myriad of situations in order to teach them right from wrong. just getting a babysitter because you think your kid may act badly isn't the way to go.

k-l, i hope you didn't take my post as assuming you hate kids or openly act rude, but there certainly are a lot of people out there who do. people who dislike kids seem to like to let parents know. i would never put someone down who didn't have kids, rubbing their nose in what they've missed out on in life. but we've had fallings out with several old friends since we've become parents.

on the other side of the coin, you can't teach old dogs new tricks. as in, adults with bad manners and poor parenting skills will have kids with bad manners and who misbehave openly.
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I honestly think that all of you people are terrific. I'd be pleased to join all of you and your lovely families for dinner anywhere. Thanks for a most interesting conversation.
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...I'd be pleased to join all of you and your lovely families for dinner anywhere...
Hey everybody, dinner is on Kayelle!!!
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