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Old 01-04-2005, 03:51 PM   #11
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amber - here is a small list of foods that should be ok - the carbohydrates are "complex" versus simple - that is the key - the fats listed are the "good" fats - butter is NOT one of them. http://www.bodyforlife.com/nutrition...t.asp#proteins

Also, if you just do some google searches for "good carbohydrates" "good fats", "healthy diet plan" you will get lots of info. When I followed the Body For Life diet I had SO MUCH ENERGY!!!! I just went and bought the cookbook and used that as a guide - the recipes were good too. I am not a protein powder fan so I opted not to make anything using the protein powder. But the other stuff is great.
Thanks Kitchenelf,

I told my daughter what you said. She is age 13 so dont be surprised by her response. She said to ask you how long you have been on this diet, and how much weight have you lost? I told her you have increased your energy level. At her age, it's hard for kids to understand that eating a healthy diet is a lifestyle choice, not just a quick weight loss tool. I however, appreciate your help. I did a google search for good fats and good carbs. In terms of butter, it mentioned that it may be better for us than some margarines, but that in most cases its best to use healthy oils such as canola (which I always use), and olive oil. They said the worst margines are those in stick form because of the saturated fat some margarines contain. At least I think it said saturated. I get confused with polyunsaturated, monosaturated, transfatty, saturated. I think transfatty and saturated are the worst types of fat.

The body for life book you mentioned and the link you provided for good carbs and proteins was good I think. It's along the lines of how I feel a person needs to eat. Eat what you like, moderate portions, and exercise.
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Old 01-04-2005, 04:09 PM   #12
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Oh boy, the low carb discussion ... it happens every message board no matter what the subject matter. But just remember, most things in life require a fair amount of balence. And cutting essential things from your diet ... like carbs ... is not balence.

Your body makes it's energy primarly from carbs, not protiens, converting protiens for energy takes them away from things they should be used for in your body. The no carb atkins thing obtains it's quick initial weight lose from primarly water weight lose and by tricking your body into thinking it's straving to death so it will use it's 'reserves' for energy.

Combined that with, in many cases, a substaintial increase in fats of all kinds, it doesn't really sound, to me, as a reasonable approach to weight lose. You'll really need to start taking suplements to compliment other vitamins you'll be missing by not eating/drinking things like oranges, etc

As for the carbs in the 'no carbs" soda ... dunno how to answer ... but there is the caffine, which can have effects on dieting. It will act as an apatite supressant, but also may cause your body to store more then it normally would. I don't really know the details on that one. It's my wife who's the nutritian nut, not me :)
I agree Robb. I tried to tell my daughter that this low carb diet is not a lifestyle diet. She will depriving her body of fruits, veggies, and all the essentials that it takes to keep our bodies energized and healthy. The fact that she has only lost ten pounds since November gives credit to what you said about water weight loss. And also, how I metioned in my previous post that she devours foods such as the chicken pie I made, after eating her own low carb dinner.

My daughters goal is to eat 25 carbs or less in one day. Can you imagine that? One piece of fruit would mean that is half of her food intake for the day! Crazy. For young girls that diet, I think this low carb thing is way off "balance", and potentially harmful. My daughter lacks energy, looks pale, and is tired. This will eventually affect her thought process as well.
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Old 01-04-2005, 06:43 PM   #13
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WOW - 13 - that bothers me. But I understand that young girls have concerns that we didn't have at that age. I'm not even going to get into "how much" I lost because at her age she needs to be more concerned with her nutritional intake. I will say that I allowed myself to get on the scales only a couple times a week. I was truly amazed!! She needs to understand that there ARE good carbs just like there are good fats. But to eat a diet high in BAD fats is NOT HEALTHY!!!! It's a very quick fix that will not last because it's just not a reasonable way to eat. I agree with the butter versus margarine - I have added just a bit of butter to some olive oil when sautéing chicken or "whatever" to add some much needed flavor - it works.

It really sounds like she needs to talk to a nutritionist. The key is to eat the RIGHT fats and carbs - know what a proper portion size is. And it is amazing in the Body for Life recipe book how much you get to eat. But you can't "cheat" yourself out of any of that food or it will affect your blood sugar levels which in turn will affect your hunger - i.e. making you more hungry and wanting the "wrong" things.

Also, a healthy dose of exercise gives one more energy along with the added benefit of boosting your metabolism.

I am by no means an expert but I don't think you have to be one once you realize what complex carbs are and once you realize what the good fats are and PORTION size along with frequent BALANCED eating. My son would take string cheese and an apple to school and other things to eat - once in the morning and then afternoon snack was right after school. If you want me to copy some pages out of my Body for Life in the way of good recipes I will be glad to - I can scan them and e-mail them to you.

If you have MSN chat you can also sign on and I will be glad to chat with her. Just click on my MSN tab at the the bottom of my posts. It did amaze me that with a well-balanced diet along with portion control (but you still get full - it's not just a little bit of food), and some form of aerobic workout, how the weight came effortlessly off.
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It should be noted if you read the late Dr Atkins's books, that he was insistent that if you are cutting all the fruits off, to say bothing of the wide variety of veggies...that you had better get used to taking a "bowlful" of pills EVERY DAY, because diet or no, these are nutrients and vitamins you ABSOLUTELY NEED to survive and "prosper"...

As a separate note, I have come to understand that "mini-potato'es" (the small 1.5-2" diameter ones) are better for dieting than the big taters...I also think they taste better!

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Old 01-04-2005, 08:33 PM   #15
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Hi Lifter - I think you are referring to the small "new potatoes" or "red potatoes". We also have some called "creamers" but I don't know if that's what you are talking about. The red potatoes have been recommended in many of the recipes I use that use an over-all HEALTHY way of eating. As always - you have good information to add - one of my favorite mid-meal snacks that Body for Life recommends is 2 hardboiled eggs and an orange - I can't imagine giving up ALL fruit!! My gosh, how would I keep my champagne cold if I couldn't occasionally use a frozen strawberry??? :oops:
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Anyone know how many carbs in a mini potato?
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Old 01-04-2005, 09:21 PM   #17
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As you can see by the nutritional analysis below the red potatoes have fewer carbs, less sugars, and more protein. Also, the red potatoes have more vitamin C, Calcium and Iron. While they have 1 gram of fat versus none for the white the other benefits are greater IMHO only.

Regular White Potatoes:



Red Potatoes/New Potatoes

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Thanks elf. :( Not for those who are counting carbs.
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bummer... no wonder i can't have mashed potatoes
no fair i tell ya... no fair at all !!!!! :x
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Old 01-04-2005, 10:24 PM   #20
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Quite the contrary middie - if mashed potatoes are what you like just don't have a HUGE amount - use red potatoes too. The proper portion is what you can fit in your hand while it's cupped - obviously just sort of guess this - don't actually put hot mashed potatoes in your hand!!!! LOL

Make with chicken broth instead of cream or use some fat free half and half - also some potato water will help thin then out.
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