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Old 11-29-2007, 03:51 PM   #61
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Bilby ~ you said your mother used to do the under the sink with ham? Ham is completely different than turkey. In our stores ham isn't even in coolers.
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:59 PM   #62
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I'm just curious as to the differences - I sincerely want to know what the differences in handling are that you think makes raw poultry safer from one source than another.

btw, you're comparing apples to oranges when you compare ground beef (the cause of most cases of e. coli that I'm aware of) and whole poultry. But since we're doing that you may remember a couple of years ago a recall of organic spinach (among other leafy products) due to e. coli contamination: FDA Announces Findings from Investigation of Foodborne E. coli O157:H7 Outbreak in Spinach Many people think organic foods are safer, but that's not necessarily the case.



Sorry, I mistyped that. I meant to say half of all children died before their *fifth* birthday, and wouldn't you know, I can't find a reference for that. But I did find this: "(In 1850 almost half of all English children died before reaching their fifth birthday; Crowther, 1967)"

Do a page search for "fifth birthday": Science, civilization and society I'd guess the stats are similar for the U.S.

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He's talking about cured ham, not raw poultry.
I added Alton's comments on PORK - to further cement the notion that the FDA and Mayo Clinic's tempuratures are way too hot. It was in repsonse to a post earlier about trusting the Mayo...

And you don't think using Spinach as an example isn't using an "apples to oranges" comparison?

Read the thread history here... again, my talk of Beef or any other meat type was in response to the Mayo and FDA temp recommendations.

Tell ya what - you go visit a Commercial Poultry processing plant - then visit a small poultry farm and you tell me the differnces in how the birds are handled.. :)
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Old 11-29-2007, 04:12 PM   #63
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And you don't think using Spinach as an example isn't using an "apples to oranges" comparison?
Yeah, I do. That was the point
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Old 11-29-2007, 04:52 PM   #64
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To the original post, I would not eat it period. I also would not be dining on leftovers from Thanksgiving as long as some folks on here seem to do. Just me.
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Old 11-29-2007, 04:54 PM   #65
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To the original post, I would not eat it period. I also would not be dining on leftovers from Thanksgiving as long as some folks on here seem to do. Just me.
If that was meant for me, Elaine, they're frozen.
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6 hours at 68 degrees is deadly. Cooling it to 40 was an exercise in futility as far as microorganisms are concerned. Safe is above 140 or below 40.... Anything in between has a window of only 2 hours. Great that you didn't get sick....yet. A raw turkey that sat at room temperature for 6 hours is a bullet from a smoking gun.
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it's been 3 hours since I ate some...... wife is using me as a guinea pig - if I'm fine, then we'll feed the kids.. :P

Please don't give it to children. They usually don't have the capability to fight off food intoxications like adults can.
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If that was meant for me, Elaine, they're frozen.
Wasn't meant for anyone in particular, just a general statement
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:44 PM   #69
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