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View Poll Results: Do you regularly eat bread as part of your main meal?
Gotta have bread every meal! 0 0%
Depends on the meal 31 68.89%
Take it or leave it 3 6.67%
Never. It's a waste of space. 11 24.44%
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Old 04-18-2014, 12:10 PM   #71
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Didn't beriberi first appear when people who eat mostly rice started eating white rice instead of brown rice? Yes, getting your vitamin B1 from other sources does help prevent beriberi.
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Old 04-18-2014, 12:31 PM   #72
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Which brings us full circle to my questioning the generalization that processed food has more carbs.

I don't often hear people say that processed foods necessarily have more carbohydrates, more that they're a poor source of carbohydrates. They sometimes contain a higher carbohydrate count because of, like other mentioned, added sugars. Even when they don't though, they're more likely to contain refined sugars and less likely to contain whole grains. Even products that say whole grain often just have some corn flour or wheat bran added in. If I make my own wheat bread from my own flour ground from wheat berries, I know it not only contains the carbohydrates, but it also contains the bran(fiber) and germ (vitamins and minerals, not even present in many 'whole wheat' flours from the store). Even if the carbohydrate count is exactly the same per serving, my bread (or pasta dish, fruit and yogurt, grain pilaf or whatever) is a healthier source of those carbohydrates because I can be certain that extra sugars, excessive sodium and other additives are not included and that the healthy nutrients are there. I only have a limited amount of food that I can/should eat each day, so when I choose better sources of carbohydrates over highly processed foods, I'm making sure that food gives me the most nutritional value it can.

Of course, I know all this and try to practice it as much as I can, but sometimes those little pies just beg me to eat them...
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Old 04-18-2014, 12:58 PM   #73
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What Spout said.

I think nutritionally dense food is more satisfying. I think you get cravings for more food if you don't get all the nutrients you need. No, I have no proof of this. It's just something I believe.
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Old 04-18-2014, 01:07 PM   #74
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Very interesting stuff.
Not being a carb counter I didn't realize so many sugars were associated with carbohydrates.

That said, I just had two slices of garlic bread with lunch
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Old 04-18-2014, 06:07 PM   #75
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What Spout said.

I think nutritionally dense food is more satisfying. I think you get cravings for more food if you don't get all the nutrients you need. No, I have no proof of this. It's just something I believe.
I agree with this 100% Taxlady. And I have no proof, either.

Pac, to me, anything that is not in the form that nature supplied it is "processed." Things like boxed mixes are a prime example. Betty Crocker Scalloped Potatoes come to mind. I don't think a person who is not diabetic has to worry much about carbs in moderation. Your body works properly to process them the way it should. So eat all the bread you like! I will just be jealous.

FrankZ, there's a lot more to worry about with diabetes than sugar. It's the simple carbs..... sugar, flour, rice, starchy vegetables such as potatoes that enter the blood stream quickly that are not processed properly by the body. Vegetables and beans are carbs too, but they are complex carbs and the body can handle them a lot better. Some diabetics can eat wheat/whole grain bread without a problem. I am one of those who can't. Doesn't matter whether it contains sugar or not.
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Old 04-18-2014, 06:29 PM   #76
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Diabetes, carbs, and diets all combined is a very complicated subject. But one fact will never change. Once a diabetic, always a diabetic. I no longer am on any medication for diabetes. But I still watch my carbs. And I am an avid back of the container reader. I see "ose", and I will usually put it back on the shelf.
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Old 04-18-2014, 07:29 PM   #77
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Well, if you make your own bread and pasta, you'll work off some of the deleterious effects. At least that's what I tell myself.

Growing up in a poor southern farming community, we had bread of some kind with every meal. Mostly biscuits or cornbread, if we were feeling lazy, what we called "light" bread, storebought sliced white, usually Sunbeam brand. Even if the meal was starchalicious, like chicken and dumplings, there was still bread on the table for sopping up those last drops.

Today, if there's a starch already in the meal like rice, pasta or potatoes, we skip the bread. But I still miss it.

I do like the idea of matching the type of bread to the type of cuisine prepared, just love fresh Italian bread with pasta, naan with lamb stew, crunchy toasted Cuban with black beans, tortillas with just about anything and cornbread with greens and pork. We eat a lot of pitas here too, middle eastern food like kibbe, tabouli and falafel have been a staple in our city for generations.
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Old 04-19-2014, 12:41 AM   #78
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I love bread and would have it at all meals, but had to mark the 'depends on the meal.' It has become so much easier to put on weight the older I get, so I sacrifice the baked goods for the calorie count. The main exception is BLTs made at the height of 'good' tomato season. YOLO.

I can recall when very small that the bread was the meal -- a bowl of Mom's cornbread (sometimes with cracklins), crumbled, with milk or buttermilk poured over it. I guess we were poor -- I just didn't know it.
Us too! Dad made pancakes or waffles with cheese, diced onion and a cup of diced ham for the six of us. Mom could make one can of tuna feed six, too! My parents did an amazing job of keeping us fed.
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I picked up two kalamata olive rolls today...it's probably a good thing the store and bakery are across town or I would be eating them all them time. I bought a grilled tuna steak for making a sandwich with one roll, red onion, alfalfa sprouts, tomato and EVOO with vinegar. The other roll was torn into bite size pieces and devoured.
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Old 04-19-2014, 09:03 AM   #80
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Us too! Dad made pancakes or waffles with cheese, diced onion and a cup of diced ham for the six of us. Mom could make one can of tuna feed six, too! My parents did an amazing job of keeping us fed.
I don't ever remember my mother's pantry being as full as I keep mine. Of course she shopped weekly, and me, monthly. And she didn't have a freezer until the late 50's. Yet we always had great meals.
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