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Old 01-13-2007, 07:52 PM   #21
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Agree with many, particularly Michael.

Although we both grew up in NYC and were city rats, we now live in the country.

Remember going to a market in the city where they slaughtered the animal in front of you, for us chickens or a goose, but they would also do lambs.

So we have no illusions about how what we eat got there.

Today we purchased some Angus sirloin steaks for $2.99 a pound (I know Angus is a breed and not a grade, but purchased them unwrapped in the butcher's case, and they are purrty good). Am glad for the bargain.

Was the exit of that animal pretty? Heck no.

But I am willing to accept that.

And I can fully understand why others may not want to.

We often eat meals without meat. Not by intent, but because the recipes we choose do not include a meat ingredient.

Have no issues with vegetarians or vegans, to each, God bless, his/her own.

It is just that I know many are trying to take away our right to eat meat.

And that rankles me.

But I have been rankled before and everyone on this forum is great.

So will just shut up.

God bless.
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Old 01-13-2007, 09:37 PM   #22
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I have moved this to the " Miscellaneous" forum - think it fits in better there.

No Constance - I don't have a problem with this ... I just didn't know which direction you were headed with it. But, I will keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn't get out of hand!
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Old 01-16-2007, 09:21 PM   #23
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Of course, we all understand that animals have to be slaughtered in order to provide us with food. It isnt always pretty for sure, but I do feel that food suppliers should be aware of the impact on the enviroment of the way that animals are slaughtered. I am in favor of local, sustainable agriculture that preserves the earth and its bounty for future generations. I am hoping that more people will be aware that their choices in the market affect what will be available to them, and that by not purchasing food out of season that has to be shipped far, thereby using valuable fuel resources; by purchasing organic that does not dump poisons into the groundwater; by patronizing stores and restaurants that encourage sustainable farming techniques they will be making the world healthier for themselves and preserving the lives of their children and grandchildren.
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Old 01-16-2007, 11:00 PM   #24
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DinaFine, in an ideal world, we could all purchase organic foods if it were ever made affordable. As far as purchasing foods out of season, I simply need my fruits and veggies so I end up paying top dollar out of season. You must have a comfy income if you can afford organic foods. I do buy my foods in season from local farms, but off season, I still need my fruits and veggies so those are imported and at top dollar in the off season.

Why does organic food cost twice as much?
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Old 01-16-2007, 11:28 PM   #25
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Does Chapter 13 ring any bells with you? By the way we call our small farms "living rooms"
Actually - it's Chapter 12 for the Family Farmer, Chapter 13 is for a Wage Earner.
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Old 01-17-2007, 03:24 AM   #26
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Encouraging people to make informed decisions about the food they put into their mouths is never a bad thing.

Simply put, there's a huge difference between the life of an animal raised "normally" and the life of an animal raised on a "factory farm". There are humane ways to raise and slaughter animals and then there is the gross, inhumane side of the industry that people tend to want to turn a blind eye towards all in the name of saving a buck or two at the grocery.

I'm not a meat eater (for about 10 years now). I was raised as one. I raised one. And am living with another. I certainly don't think that one way is better than the other, I just know what feels right for me. But I do know that every piece of meat that happens to have the luck to pass through my kitchen is one that I knowingly paid extra for to ensure that it was raised as organically possible. Which also means that it led a life of dignity (instead of one of squalor and dispair) and was killed with the same amount of respect.

In a perfect world, I wouldn't even have to look at meat. =P But since I haven't quite reached my nirvana, I do what I can when I can to make a difference. Thus my fridge is full of cage-free eggs, organic cow milk has a place next to the soy, "organic" beef even shows up so my guy can have his cow fix since I hit a butchershop with some fabulous meatcutters who know the farmers that raise the animals that are displayed their meat case.

Having a connection with your food means that you appreciate how it got there, how it was raised, how it was killed, what methods are used to get it to your table. Hopefully those connections will lead to making smarter food choices which in turn will lead to an end to factory farms.


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Old 01-17-2007, 06:41 AM   #27
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Of course, we all understand that animals have to be slaughtered in order to provide us with food. It isnt always pretty for sure, but I do feel that food suppliers should be aware of the impact on the enviroment of the way that animals are slaughtered. I am in favor of local, sustainable agriculture that preserves the earth and its bounty for future generations. I am hoping that more people will be aware that their choices in the market affect what will be available to them, and that by not purchasing food out of season that has to be shipped far, thereby using valuable fuel resources; by purchasing organic that does not dump poisons into the groundwater; by patronizing stores and restaurants that encourage sustainable farming techniques they will be making the world healthier for themselves and preserving the lives of their children and grandchildren.

I agree 100%, could not have said it any better.
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Old 01-17-2007, 06:49 AM   #28
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Me too. As for budget, we eat less meat. I do not always buy organic veg because of money (although wish we could afford to) but we are very careful with meat purchases, and our budget survives our choices. For example, tonight we are eating chicken, but its actually the only meat meal we are having btwn Mon and Friday this week, so it was ok that I spent more on organic, free range chicken.
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Old 01-17-2007, 09:11 AM   #29
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Remember, many organic products often have an even larger impact on the environment than "inorganic" products.

There is no doubt that a vegetarian society would place less impact on the world's resources, but so would using your hands instead of toilet paper... It's disheartening, but the world is skyrocketing in population which will eventually hit a wall where the world says "enough is enough" and begins to give up.

One thing that definetly can help is restricting the types and volumes of waste "producers" can emit back into the environment, and actually enforcing vertebrae-crushing fines on those who wave a hand at them. Most advanced treatment plants do exactly as mother nature does, but in a controlled-accelerated process. Make people accountable for the damage they do.
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Old 01-19-2007, 12:19 AM   #30
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Actually, I dont think organic products impact the environment in a more negative way than conventional. I do think that you probably are not helping things when you buy organic from Mexico or China because of the added fuel cost to ship it over. Also the items wont have near as much flavor as things grown more local. If I have a choice, I start with as local if possible, preferring organic if possible. There are by the way a lot of choices in the vegetable department that one can make in the winter without having to to turn to imported peaches and melons. Start with squash, leafy greens are always available, carrots, potatoes, beets, oranges the list is pretty long actually if you think about it.

I'm not wealthy by a long shot, but I do try to make choices that I think will benefit us all in the long run, also I have found that the added cost of organic is balanced by my having reduced greatly the amount of processed food that I used to purchase.

I really dont want anyone to think I am trying to beat them over the head with this. I just feel that sometimes the things we wish to ignore can sneak up on us a bite us in the butt. So, a little more awareness of how the stuff gets from farm to grocery store shelf couldnt hurt.

Dont mean to sound preachy.
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