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Old 01-06-2012, 05:44 PM   #541
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Tim, I think a lot of the emotion comes from how dogs are loved as members of the family in this country. Cows are not.

Think back to the Michael Vick/dog fighting/killing business of a few years ago. He was vilified and received a stiff prison sentence. A much harsher sentence than another pro football player who killed a human while drunk driving. Vick is still hounded by people because of his crimes.

You can't take the emotion out of it.
I understand that, Andy, but I have a problem removing logic from it as well. I'm fully capable of removing the emotion from this issue out of necessity. Otherwise, I could never eat a deer or a rabbit.

People are a little weird in how they thing sometimes. Take for example; all the wars.

More people are killed every single year in the USA in car fatalities than were killed in the entire time of the Iraq War.

40 thousand people. But where is the outrage at 40,000 deaths? Where is the political action to prevent it? Where are the sit-ins, the protests and the public outrage at 40,000 people dying each year on our highways?

Practically non-existent. People just accept it, year in, and year out.

We have the technology to eliminate car accidents now. If we spent a quarter of the money we spend on wars, on car accident prevention, we could reduce them enough to save 20-30,000 needless deaths each year. Every year!

We don't, because we, as a species are as illogical as can be in matters of death. We cringe at someone mistreating a domesticated animal and spend millions of dollars prosecuting them, but we let drunks leave bars across the country every single night that drive and kill PEOPLE! (Easily prevented by requiring Alcohol Breathilizers by LAW, in every single vehicle. Over the limit...car won't start!)

Well, I'm starting to feel like I'm on a soap-box shouting at an uncaring crowd, so I'll climb down and quit now.
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Old 01-06-2012, 05:44 PM   #542
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For the first time ever, on DC, I'm staying out of this one. When it comes to people whose emotions are tweaked, in one way or the other, things can go bad very quickly.

I applaude the efforts of everyone to remain respectful of each other in this thread. Just be careful. Tread lightly.

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Old 01-06-2012, 05:47 PM   #543
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THere's a vegetable in the califlower family that I wouldn't want on my plate. It looks hideous. I believe it's origins came from outerspace...I'd bet Tim's had it, .
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Old 01-06-2012, 05:54 PM   #544
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I understand that, Andy, but I have a problem removing logic from it as well. I'm fully capable of removing teh emotion from this issue out of necessity. Otherwise, I could never eat a deer or a rabbit.
The logical part of the discussion is that people eat animals. Emotions govern which are OK to eat. That emotion can be cultural or religious.
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Old 01-06-2012, 05:57 PM   #545
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You've made me curious CWS. These people keep these animals as food stock. How and why would they "torture" the animals prior to it's intended use? It just makes no sense to me.

In many countries, a dog is thought of exactly as a cow is thought of in the USA... Food. Nothing more, nothing less. It's handlers care no more about it's feelings than someone who works in a cow slaughterhouse cares about a cows feelings.
When we lived in Texas we went to a "culling auction." That is where they auction off animals that are culled from a herd because they don't look like champion stock. We got a two month old heifer Black Angus and a one month old piglet. Took them home, fed them really good and in less than six months they were ready for the freezer. We called the slaughter truck. He came and did his job. All the time the animals were growing, I kept telling my kids not to get fond of them They were going to become food. I refused to let them name them. I must have done a good job because that winter we had meat and the kids knowing where it came from ate it without a fuss.

When I worked with the 4-H kids, they knew from the day their animal was born, what their future was. And they accepted it without question. I am not an animal lover per say. Yet I will be the first one to call the authorities if I see you abusing or torturing any animal. I just try to be realistic. I think horses are some of the most beautiful animals. But they are very dumb and skittish. Unless you have the money to bury your horse like they do on big farms in Kentucky, you know what the end will be for a horse.

I tend to lean toward the side that says animals are here to serve us. We don't have to abuse them or torture them before we are through using them for our own means. But I would rather put my money towards feeding a hungry child than spend it burying an animal once it can no longer serve us.

I love my son's Maltese. It has been what keeps my son going since his wife died. And for that I am grateful to the dog. But if something happened to the dog, I would be more concerned about what will happen to my son.
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Old 01-06-2012, 06:01 PM   #546
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THere's a vegetable in the califlower family that I wouldn't want on my plate. It looks hideous. I believe it's origins came from outerspace...I'd bet Tim's had it, .
Are you talking about the one that is the green cauliflower, bred with broccoli? I think they call it Broc-O-flower or something...
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Old 01-06-2012, 06:09 PM   #547
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For the first time ever, on DC, I'm staying out of this one. When it comes to people whose emotions are tweaked, in one way or the other, things can go bad very quickly.

I applaude the efforts of everyone to remain respectful of each other in this thread. Just be careful. Tread lightly.
Dang if that ain't a fact! I'm not saying another word about it. I think I made my feelings on the matter as clear as can be.
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Old 01-06-2012, 06:11 PM   #548
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I love my son's Maltese. It has been what keeps my son going since his wife died. And for that I am grateful to the dog. But if something happened to the dog, I would be more concerned about what will happen to my son.
After reading many, many of your posts and thoughts, Addie, I've come to realize that you have a heart as big as the great outdoors!

You're just a sweetie!
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After reading many, many of your posts and thoughts, Addie, I've come to realize that you have a heart as big as the great outdoors!

You're just a sweetie!
Thank you. You're not so bad yourself.
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