Rye bread.

[Addie]

Yes I do post and follow three or four Russian cooking forums. It is not that simple, the products that are available there not alwasy available here. When they are available here they are not kosher, most of the time.

Red Mill sells kosher flour year round and King Arthur has it available prior and leading up to the holy days such as Passover. Although I imagine the shipping cost can break the bank. Also most major supermarkets will sell kosher items leading up to the holy days. My store tries to make all ethnic groups happy. They have a dedicated aisle that changes from one ethnic group to the next. It all depends on the next holiday. And it sells Red Mill year round.

 

[CharlieD]

Flour is not a problem. The other things are like for example for a good rye bread, I need malted rye. And I cannot find it kosher.

 

[Addie]

Flour is not a problem. The other things are like for example for a good rye bread, I need malted rye. And I cannot find it kosher.

Charlie I don't know why, but it bothers me that you cannot find the food you need to practice the laws of your religion. This is the "land of plenty." Have you discussed this with your Rabbi? He may know some sources.

Spike does a lot of work for a Jewish man that you could hardly call even a moderate Jew. Yet he does observe all the holy days. And his wife keeps a kosher kitchen and home. I am going to have Spike ask him where his wife gets the hard to find kosher items. If I can contact her source, perhaps they will know of a source closer to your home area. I am on a mission.

 

[Andy M.]

Flour is not a problem. The other things are like for example for a good rye bread, I need malted rye. And I cannot find it kosher.

Charlie, I just realized malting is a process and it looks like you can do it yourself. Cooking Finland: Finnish Malted Rye Bread--Ruisleipä

I assume you can start with a kosher rye flour then malt it. I don't know if malting the flour at home makes it not kosher.

 

[taxlady]

Charlie, I just realized malting is a process and it looks like you can do it yourself. Cooking Finland: Finnish Malted Rye Bread--Ruisleipä

I assume you can start with a kosher rye flour then malt it. I don't know if malting the flour at home makes it not kosher.

I don't think that is malting. Danish rugbrød (heavy all rye bread) is made in a similar manner. It comes in plain and malted. I think that Finnish author got the wrong word.

Malt is sprouted, dried cereal grain. It is often ground for bread. So, one could sprout some rye grains, dry, and then grind them. But, that sounds like a lot of effort.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malt

 

[Andy M.]

I don't think that is malting. Danish rugbrød (heavy all rye bread) is made in a similar manner. It comes in plain and malted. I think that Finnish author got the wrong word.

Malt is sprouted, dried cereal grain. It is often ground for bread. So, one could sprout some rye grains, dry, and then grind them. But, that sounds like a lot of effort.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malt

TL, your link describes the same process as the link I posted.

 

[taxlady]

TL, your link describes the same process as the link I posted.

I can see the similarity, but malt is from sprouted grain, not from flour.

 

[CharlieD]

Indeed it the grain not flour. TL is correct.

 

[CharlieD]

Charlie I don't know why, but it bothers me that you cannot find the food you need to practice the laws of your religion. This is the "land of plenty." :

Hm, believe me bugs me too. But this is not the only land of plenty but also land of demand. And how many people do you think are looking for kosher malted rye? Me, maybe one more somewhere else. Interestingly before I started keeping kosher I would not even be on this forum. I cooked very little. We went out 3-4 times a week. Another thing about availability, in NY I bet I could find a lot more. As the matter of fact I'm surprised I can find as much as I do in MN.

 

[GotGarlic]

You are so right Charlie. Americans seem to have it in their blood to make over ever food our ancestors brought from the old country. We just love to experiment. My daughter-in-law is from Romania. When an American tries to tell her mother how to improve one of her native dishes, Zanna tells them straight out, "I will not bastardize my food just to please Americans. I cook good solid Romanian foods that I grew up with." And she does. She makes these meatballs that I could sit and eat until I get sick. I wouldn't dream of telling her how to change them. Ever time I go to my son's for a holiday dinner, she makes me a pile of them to take home. They are only for me.

People have done this all through history - it's not specific to Americans. When I visited Turkey, the tour guide told us that, when the Ottoman Empire ruled over most of the Mediterranean countries and much of southern Europe (for over 500 years), the army took traditional Turkish recipes with them and adapted them using local ingredients. Thus, Middle-Eastern stuffed grape leaves became European stuffed cabbage.

 

[GotGarlic]

Charlie I don't know why, but it bothers me that you cannot find the food you need to practice the laws of your religion. This is the "land of plenty." Have you discussed this with your Rabbi? He may know some sources.

Spike does a lot of work for a Jewish man that you could hardly call even a moderate Jew. Yet he does observe all the holy days. And his wife keeps a kosher kitchen and home. I am going to have Spike ask him where his wife gets the hard to find kosher items. If I can contact her source, perhaps they will know of a source closer to your home area. I am on a mission.

It's called supply and demand. There's not much demand for kosher ingredients in rural areas with a small Jewish population. In our area, large grocery stores have kosher sections, but that doesn't happen in smaller communities.

 

[Addie]

Charlie, Spike did a search for kosher bread making products and found that Walmart's carries it.

Hodgson Mill Whole Grain Rye Flour - Walmart.com

If your Walmart's doesn't have it in their store, you can order it in line and have it sent to your closest store with free shipping. They seem to have an extensive list of kosher products for bread making.

 

[Andy M.]

I can see the similarity, but malt is from sprouted grain, not from flour.

That makes sense. Thanks.

 

[Mad Cook]

I agree with you, Charlie! No caraway for me.

Oh good. If you and Charlie don't like them there's more for me

I make a good old-fashioned English seed cake just for me about once a month. Yum.

 

[Mad Cook]

Charlie - how long had you had the rye flour? I try and buy mine in small quantities - just enough for what I want to bake and don't store it.

Rye flour doesn't keep well and that can affect the rising properties.

EDIT: Oh sorry, just noticed the date on the original post. It was fairly well up the list.

 

[Mad Cook]

Flour is not a problem. The other things are like for example for a good rye bread, I need malted rye. And I cannot find it kosher.

Is there a Kosher bakery, café or restaurant near you? It might be worth asking them if they will either get you some or sell you some of their stock.

 

[CharlieD]

Charlie, Spike did a search for kosher bread making products and found that Walmart's carries it. Hodgson Mill Whole Grain Rye Flour - Walmart.com If your Walmart's doesn't have it in their store, you can order it in line and have it sent to your closest store with free shipping. They seem to have an extensive list of kosher products for bread making.

Flour is available everywhere, as the matter of fact flour doesn't need to be " kosher" it is kosher by default so to speak, just like fruits and vegetables. I am looking for malted grain.

 

[CharlieD]

Charlie - how long had you had the rye flour? I try and buy mine in small quantities - just enough for what I want to bake and don't store it. Rye flour doesn't keep well and that can affect the rising properties. EDIT: Oh sorry, just noticed the date on the original post. It was fairly well up the list.

Interesting, I did not know that. I better start using it faster. I have a whole bag and though I bought it recently I better keep this in mind. How long does it less?

 

[Mad Cook]

Interesting, I did not know that. I better start using it faster. I have a whole bag and though I bought it recently I better keep this in mind. How long does it less?

W-e-ll, when I first bought it I was told to use it within a week once I'd opened it and when I buy it it usually has a very short "sell by" date on the packaging. I think it's to do with the oils in the grain. I do, however, think that a week is a bit on the conservative side.

If I have any left when I've baked with it I put it in a Lock and Lock box in the freezer and I find it keeps longer like this. I've used it after a couple of months and it's been OK.

(I've just checked on this and apparently it will keep 6 months to a year, depending on who's written the articles, in the freezer.)

 

[taxlady]

Flour is available everywhere, as the matter of fact flour doesn't need to be " kosher" it is kosher by default so to speak, just like fruits and vegetables. I am looking for malted grain.

Just curious, if flour is kosher by default, what is it about malted grain that might not be kosher?