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Old 10-11-2011, 11:55 AM   #11
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Thanks for the link Mobius and for your advice. Now I understand that I need to learn, from a strictly scientific point of view, what on Earth all this food does inside my body when I eat it... It looks like every single scientist and doctor and dietist has a personal agenda: everything is good for someone, averything is bad for someone else!
In the end, it's difficult to sort through all the stuff that's out there: scientists contradicting each other, people pushing differen diets, etc... It's what works for you that's most important. I just wanted to raise some awareness that there are other options that might work better. I lost about a pound a week on a low calorie, adequate fat & carb diet. I'm losing around 3-4 on a high fat, very low carb diet, and feel healthier and less hungry! You should experiment and see what your body needs.

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One reason most diets have you cut out fats is because fats contain more calories than proteins or carbohydrates. A gram of fat contains 9 calories while a gram of either carbs or proteins contain only four calories. Thus, if you can fill up on fat free alternatives, you cut your caloric intake 56% while still eating the same volume of food.
Same volume of food does not equal same level of satiety! If you don't eat adequate fat, you will get hungrier way faster, and inevitably cheat! (look up decision fatigue) Usually by eating carbs (which are oh so low-fat), which raise your level of insulin, which prevents you from burning fat and actually encourage fat storage.

Fats are good! Eat fats!
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Old 10-11-2011, 12:11 PM   #12
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Cutting fats usually makes dieting and weight loss more difficult. As previously mentioned, it's about what fats you eat. EVOO is as good as mono-saturated fats go, but animal fats, like tallow, lard (from a butcher), and even butter, are generally better for cardio-vascular health.

You should be trying to reduce your insulin levels by cutting wheat, other grains, and potatoes if you want to lose weight. Bread and pasta should pretty much be avoided completely.
I agree to some extent, but I also think there is one problem with this way of thinking: most of the animals we consume in this country have been themselves fattened on a diet of grain. So when we eat a burger, that burger comes from a cow that ate primarily corn for the bulk of its life.

Nor do I believe carbs by themselves are the bad guys. I think the real culprit is foods that are omega-6 heavy. While you need some omega-6 in your diet, it's an inflammatory compound, and we eat way too much of it in the Western diet. You need to eat foods that contain a lower ratio of omega-6 to omega-3.

If you like meat, that's all well and fine. I do. But I also try to eat more grass-fed beef, as it has a better ratio of omega 6 to 3. According to Weight of the Evidence, a website devoted to nutrition and good living, the analysis breaks down as follows...

Beef, grass-fed
Ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3
2.7 to 1

Beef, grain-fed, conventional
Ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3
17.2 to 1

The same applies to butter, lard, milk, and cheese from cows.
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Old 10-11-2011, 12:36 PM   #13
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I agree to some extent, but I also think there is one problem with this way of thinking: most of the animals we consume in this country have been themselves fattened on a diet of grain. So when we eat a burger, that burger comes from a cow that ate primarily corn for the bulk of its life.

Nor do I believe carbs by themselves are the bad guys. I think the real culprit is foods that are omega-6 heavy. While you need some omega-6 in your diet, it's an inflammatory compound, and we eat way too much of it in the Western diet. You need to eat foods that contain a lower ratio of omega-6 to omega-3.

If you like meat, that's all well and fine. I do. But I also try to eat more grass-fed beef, as it has a better ratio of omega 6 to 3. According to Weight of the Evidence, a website devoted to nutrition and good living, the analysis breaks down as follows...

Beef, grass-fed
Ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3
2.7 to 1

Beef, grain-fed, conventional
Ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3
17.2 to 1

The same applies to butter, lard, milk, and cheese from cows.
I couldn't agree more on the subject of grass vs. grain fed meat. I should have mentioned it earlier. Thanks!
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Old 10-11-2011, 01:54 PM   #14
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...Same volume of food does not equal same level of satiety! If you don't eat adequate fat, you will get hungrier way faster, and inevitably cheat! (look up decision fatigue) Usually by eating carbs (which are oh so low-fat), which raise your level of insulin, which prevents you from burning fat and actually encourage fat storage.

Fats are good! Eat fats!

I'm not a proponent of a fat free diet! I was just pointing out why so many diets start with cutting fats.

I have long been a proponent of eat what you want, just eat less.
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Heck, everything in moderation. I'm all for cutting unnecessary fat from cooking - that actually sounds like a pretty sensible thing to do to me, given there are plenty of foods that are naturally high in good fats. And as for avoiding bread and pasta, you've got to be kidding me! Definitely not in excess or anything, but carbs are all good in moderation and bread and pasta taste good.
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