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Old 04-13-2007, 08:23 AM   #41
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I'm well aware of that, but to me, it's like cutting corners and impairing the quality that we used to get in certain foods.

And yes, they might not be in it for our health, but they're SUPPOSED to!
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Old 04-13-2007, 08:58 AM   #42
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And yes, they might not be in it for our health, but they're SUPPOSED to!
Believeing that will get you a lot of disappointment. They are there to sell a product and make as much profit as possible. Even in health industries profit rules, and I'm afraid the food industry is not health industry, but just a food supplying one. The responsibilty for what we eat for HEALTH is ours. Its one of the reasons I prefer to cook from scratch...because I decide what I use to get a same/similar product. If you are looking to the food industry to make health choices for you you will not suceed. All they have to do is not put things in there products that in moderation won't harm us.

Perhaps this is a common misconception and is contributory to the obesity and related illnesses problems? I had not appreciated that some people really believed the food industry were, in Corey's words, supposed to be in it for our health.
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Old 04-13-2007, 09:08 AM   #43
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Well said, Lulu. I agree.
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Old 04-13-2007, 09:36 AM   #44
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I agree but... I've seen products labelled "contains no sugar" and then you look at the ingredients and they've got corn syrup in. People are being misled by the suggestion that such products are healthier when in fact they're not.
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Old 04-13-2007, 10:07 AM   #45
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This is the myth of food labeling, and I agree that is misleading, and I think wrong, and I presume Snoop, by healthier you mean lower in calories ;) because otherwise we have to consider the reports on sweeteners etc. (I know thats a different can of worms, lol). Its also the use of the word sugar that worries me. The thing is, we have to come to terms with the fact that syrup/fructose/glucose/sucrose.....they are essentially sweet simple SUGARS (some one more chemistry minded can correct me on that..) and they are all going to have calories and in excess lead to weight gain. It seems to me that instead of developing a tolerance to having less sugar in the diet and in the body at any one time people are looking for the impossible. I don't think sugar is bad, I really don't, I like the stuff, but I know the more I have the more my body "needs" and demands..the less I have the less I get the "sugar shakes" and the better my body functions. I know, if I'm honest, that this happens if I have a commercial candy bar/cereal whatever or a homemade piece of cake. The difference is I KNOW I understand and I have taken responsibilty for what I put in the home made piece of cake. Furthermore, the satisfaction of spending some time baking etc, not only burns a few more of those excess calories than opening a packet, but prolongs the experience and turns it into a rewarding eating one, rather than a rather perfunctory exercise in obtaining something sweet. Same with home made juice rather than bought stuff: its all sugar in a glass, but if I'm going to have it I'll have that liquid sugar fresh please. This is the mind game I play with my self to endulge the gourmet (ok then, gourmand) in me while trying also to eat for health. If I pay any company for my kicks I KNOW they are looking out for profit and not my health. Its the quote I highlighted previously that I found so sadly worrying. No one apart from us and our mother's really cares about our health, lol.

The truth of the matter is, if it tastes sweet something made it that way. The other truth is its our body and our responsibility, if we are expecting the food industry to do that we will be diappointed every time.
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This is what the Mayo Clinic has to say:

"In addition, animal studies have shown a link between increased consumption of high-fructose corn syrup and adverse health effects, such as diabetes and high cholesterol. However, the evidence is not as clear in human studies."
They pretty much said a lot of nothing. In fact it reminded me of a political speech, meant not to inform as much as to not offend anyone. But, what bothers be most about their attitude, especially the part quoted above is, who in their right mind is going to volunteer for a study of the adverse effects of HFCS on humans? Please raise your hands!

Therfore, I stand firm on my previous statement, and the article I quoted, that HFCS is NOT treated like sugar by the human body, that it does not cause the pancreas to release insulin, and that it is stored as fat.

If you have any doubts whatsoever, just take a look at your local four-Cokes-a-day man. Sorry. Make that four-Cokes-a-day PERSON!
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I agree but... I've seen products labelled "contains no sugar" and then you look at the ingredients and they've got corn syrup in. People are being misled by the suggestion that such products are healthier when in fact they're not.
Did you read my previous post about the Mrs. Smith's pies and transfats? They got around the transfats quanity issue by increasing the number of servings per pie from 6 to 12! I would like to see someone cut a 9-inch round pie into 12 pieces, then remove one slice for serving!
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Old 04-13-2007, 02:54 PM   #48
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In the past, I was not making my own pie crust, but I think I'll start. Who knows what's in the frozen crusts!!
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Old 04-13-2007, 05:48 PM   #49
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The best pie crusts are made with lard. Lard is not good for you. The second best pie crusts are made with butter. Butter isn't all that good for you either.

The pie crust on that Mrs. Smith pie I was taliking about was made with hydrogentated vegetable oil (shortening) and margarine, both of which are a LOT worse for you than either lard or butter.
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Old 04-13-2007, 07:51 PM   #50
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I was about to say that shortening isn't food either.

The three are supposed to make for a tender flakey crust, so what does one use, oil?

But then again, moderation is the key. It's not every day that I would eat pie.
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