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Old 07-09-2009, 09:41 PM   #11
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I have great respect for you all, but as a professional grower with many years of experience, here is what I know to be true.

Chemical fertilizer has all the nutrients your plants need, and chemicals are chemicals, whether they come from manure or fertilizer. In fact, you have to be careful about how much manure you put on your garden, as you don't know the nitrogen content and can literally cook your plants.
Unsterilized manure also has a lot of weed seeds.

On the other hand, , along with adding nutrients, manure adds organic matter to your soil, improving the nature of the soil itself as it rots. Sterilized manure, the dried, powdery syuff you buy at Walmart, is really not worth buying...you may as well add 12-12-12.

My husband used to tease me because I got more excited over a truckload of manure than I did a dozen roses. (Diamonds are another story...)

Note: never put any type of nitrogen on dry soil, as it can burn your plants more easily. Water first, then add fertilizer, then water it in.
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Old 07-10-2009, 07:53 PM   #12
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Do you necessarily know that fertilizer is all that your plants need? Let's face it...with the way science goes, we never receive the full truth due to or reductionist nature. We don't know everything about the environment and need to trust more in natural methods of soil creation to furnish the plants with what they need rather than our own scientists who are frequently not seeing the bigger picture, because that is not what science in the western sense can do.

I do agree that naturally made soil from compost, etc. is exactly what you need to grow crops successfully and sustainably.
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Old 07-11-2009, 02:00 PM   #13
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Do you necessarily know that fertilizer is all that your plants need? Let's face it...with the way science goes, we never receive the full truth due to or reductionist nature. We don't know everything about the environment and need to trust more in natural methods of soil creation to furnish the plants with what they need rather than our own scientists who are frequently not seeing the bigger picture, because that is not what science in the western sense can do.

I do agree that naturally made soil from compost, etc. is exactly what you need to grow crops successfully and sustainably.
The point I was making is that natural fertilizers, such as red-worm casings, do indeed have the same nutrients as do the commercial fertilizers. But, they give up those nutrients at a slower rate, thereby forcing the plants to mature more slowly. This gives the plants the time required to become nutritionally packed products, and to develop their full flavor profiles. The same just isn't true of veggies and grains that grow unnaturally fast. That's what the study I was referring to shows.

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Alright thanks for clarifying :)
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Old 07-12-2009, 10:06 AM   #15
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Organic isn't just about the fertilisers you put on the ground or spray onto leaves, it's about the pesticides and herbicides you use too. Hence it's about the nature of the residues you might potentially consume and the impact you have on the rest of the environment.

I do my best to grow organically. I cannot claim the food tastes better simply by virtue of being organic. It is certainly not more attractive in shape, though the colours are usually better because the produce is properly ripe.

Food left to ripen and mature properly, organic or not, will generally taste better than food picked to suit the big distributors and supermarkets, transport times, storage facilities, presentation and the size of plastic trays, etc. If you are buying organic produce locally, in all likelihood you will be buying produce in season. Your ecological footprint will be smaller and you'll be eating food in its optimum state. Organic food sold in supermarkets will in many cases suffer from some of the same issues as non-organic food sold in the same outlets due to having been transported long distances and needing to be suitable for relatively long-term storage prior to sale, which will itself have a negative impact on taste and nutritional quality.

Given a choice in supermarkets - though it has to be said that organic food is rarely available in shops in Spain - I would if I could opt to buy organic simply because of the potential impact on health and the environment.
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Old 07-13-2009, 11:31 AM   #16
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Organic for some items, search for "top foods to buy organic".
Only buy these foods organic as they have the highest pesticide content.
Organic meat and dairy are much higher quality.
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Old 07-13-2009, 12:45 PM   #17
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To me, it's kind of funny. The word organic, was actually first used to describe carbon-based life. We are organic creatures. Like so many other things, we have altered the meaning of the word to mean something other than its original meaning. In the hard sciences (chemistry, physics, etc.), organic still means carbon based. So, an organic process would be a process that involved manipulation of carbon compounds or elements. So, does that mean that engineered fertilizers and chemicals containing carbon coumpounds are organic? Why certainly. Now does that confuse the issue or what? Moohuahahahaha

We live in such a crazy world, where terms are thrown around simply to impress others, or to attract more money for a rpoduct or service.

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Absolutely agree with your post
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Old 07-14-2009, 03:11 AM   #19
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I shop our local Farmer's Market and the two locally owned stores for meat and produce, making sure I don't buy anything NOT produced locally and it must be organic. If I can't find produce that is out of season, I find an acceptable substitute that is in season. If I don't like the looks of any item, I just don't buy it. I seem to have plenty of choices and my total food bill has been cut by at least 25% by shopping in this fashion.
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That's an ideal culinary life you lead my dear and it sounds lovely!
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