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Old 06-04-2012, 05:40 PM   #51
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* BTW, speaking of BMI I know some people who seem to be too heavy for their height. Maybe they're just too short for their weight.
Actually, what happens, is that for women, they get so smart the extra knowledge starts to transfer to the waist and hips expanding them. And that for men, they get so smart, their brains full of so much knowledge, they expand right through to top of their scalps, eliminating hair as their heads expand.
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Old 06-04-2012, 06:26 PM   #52
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I recently read an article about how cholesterol levels have shifted since the '60s. A lot of other things have shifted as well--
I know where mine has shifted to. Apparently, it's where my shoes used to be.


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It is as if people can no longer be thought of to make intelligent choices.
It's not a question of not being able to make intelligent choices. Few of them can. Probably none of them can do it consistently. To begin with, right at half of them are below average intelligence. And in general, decision making is something humans do poorly.

The question is how you relieve others of being responsible for those poor choices. Prohibit any public absorption of medical costs of those choices? No Medicare for nursing home required by COPD if you smoked? No care for it at all that you can pay for in full yourself? Insurers not required to cover knee replacement in the obese? It's not a question of where government, meaning we all, have a genuine interest in these issues. Insurance is NOT going to be restricted. Medicare is not going to be denied. Those are realities from which no one can hide by withdrawing into griping about "creeping socialism," etc. So how much of your children's and grandchildren's taxes will go toward the consequences of poor choices that might be mitigated one way of another? How much of their money will go to insurance premiums high enough to cover those behaviors? How much just plain loss of enjoyment of life is to be lost for the sake of inducing people from childhood to eat far more than they need for the sake of making money?

You want me to pay for the consequences of something, I get a say in controlling it. But somehow, I don't think I'll trust the word of someone who assures me that if they are just left alone to do whatever, they'll never tap my money when it goes bad on them.

I do not know the answer, so I'm willing to have some things tried. It seems to me far more worthwhile to work on than arguing about who puts what where and gets the benefits of a legal social partnership and who doesn't. Poor choice of what to argue about.
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Old 06-04-2012, 07:55 PM   #53
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How about a progressive tax on foods? The more unhealthy they are the higher the taxes go, at an accelerating rate? Maybe if that double size cheeseburger costs 4x as much people might opt for a single size burger without cheese... They can use the tax collected to pay for treating the obese.

How about they levy a tax on carbonated beverages and use the collected taxes to subsidize the price of milk? Or just have a negative tax on milk.

I don't really believe in this, but thought it might be an interesting topic of conversation.
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Old 06-04-2012, 08:12 PM   #54
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I think it is all about educating the younger generation. If we start with the young and keep working with them over a 20 year period things will change. It will also take several million funerals but, things will eventually change. Lasting change for anything seems to take a generation. A couple of examples I have seen in my own life.

Raising the drinking age from 18 to 21. When I was a teenager going out drinking was standard entertainment on a Friday or Saturday night. Today drinking does not seem to be such a big thrill with the young adults.

The required use of seat belts, child safety seats and helmets. All of these caused a big uproar with the older crowd when they were first introduced but, gradually the changes have been accepted.
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Old 06-04-2012, 08:44 PM   #55
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Maybe we should raise the drinking age to 35... and the smoking age to 65...
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Old 06-04-2012, 11:06 PM   #56
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A LOT of overweight people are that way thanks to high fructose corn syrup being used in everything, thanks to insane taxes on sugar imports to protect American sugar farmers. Just saying..
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Old 06-04-2012, 11:07 PM   #57
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Let's ban HFCS.
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Old 06-04-2012, 11:58 PM   #58
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A LOT of overweight people are that way thanks to high fructose corn syrup being used in everything, thanks to insane taxes on sugar imports to protect American sugar farmers. Just saying..
I didn't believe this when the rumors first started coming out- I thought it was just sugar derived from a different source, but it is 55% fructose, 42% glucose, and 3% saccharides, whereas sucrose (normal sugar) is 50% fructose and 50% glucose. The molecules in HFCS are also free and unbound, ready for absorption due to the processing, while in sucrose each fructose molecule is attached to a corresponding glucose molecule, and must go through an extra metabolic step to be utilized. It's possible that the extra fructose is being processed for fat while the glucose is being stored as carbohydrate for energy in the liver and muscles. That's just a theory, but the fact that HFCS causes weight gain more so than sugar consumed in the same calorific amounts is pretty much undeniable.
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Old 06-05-2012, 03:06 AM   #59
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Personally, I consume very few things that contain added sugar. I also do not eat a lot of carbs. Removing or reducing those two things from one's diet can make a big difference. Eating a healthy diet, with the odd not-so-healthy things every now and again, can help maintain one's weight. I still wear the same size jeans I wore over 20 years' ago without a conscious effort to do so.
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consume very few things that contain added sugar ... do not eat a lot of carbs
If people would follow those two very basic and very simple rules there would not be such a thing as morbid obesity and half of our population wouldn't be pre-diabetic nor have full-blown diabetes.
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