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Old 10-13-2009, 03:53 PM   #31
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Old 10-13-2009, 04:26 PM   #32
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(references to bagels going back to 1600's Poland)
And if you'd go to Russia, you'd find them even earlier. My point was that bagels were not jewish food per se, it was borrowed and adpted from the local cusine, just as the good site says it.
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.... blintzes, borcht, bagels, latkes, etc. were first foods made and eaten by Jews around the world and then adopted by other cultures...
Completely the opposite. All of the foods listed above were common in Russia/Ukraine long before Jews ever arived there.
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Local cuisine can be Jewish though Charlie. Yes you just might find bagels in Russia that early, but you would also find Russian Jews that early who were making and eating those bagels.
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Completely the opposite. All of the foods listed above were common in Russia/Ukraine long before Jews ever arived there.
Do you have a source for this?
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I really don't get your point, Charlie. Kosher is what defines "Jewish" foods, and there are many different types according to locale. It was a simple question, and not an anthropological question.
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Kosher is what defines "Jewish" foods
I would not agree with that. Jewish foods will be kosher, but not all kosher foods would be considered Jewish.
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right, like rectangles and squares...
i just don't get the whole arguing about a simple request.
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Old 10-13-2009, 05:04 PM   #39
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Wyogal, We are long way off the original request. And I actually agreed with you, and witht the refernces that you posted. I was disagreen with GB about origin of the foods.

GB I do not have a source per say. But any body will tell you that Borscht is a Ukrainian dish. The bagels, bublichki in Russian, remeber sister Barrys singing "maine bagelach, oy bublichki". Potato pancakes are az common in Ukrainian cusine as humburger in McDonalds. Even the sites/links posted by Wyogal talk about the fact that jews have picked top dishes/recipes from the people/places where they used to live.

Kosher is a whole diferent issue, so don't mix it into this.
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... Jewish foods will be kosher, ...
Providing the dietary laws were upheld. You can make meat borscht and add some sour cream into it. Borsch could be consider jewish, but sour cream sure makes it unkosher.
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