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Old 02-18-2012, 01:49 PM   #11
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Part of the price of having freedom is having the freedom to do stupid things. If you took away the freedom to do stupid things it wouldn't be freedom anymore. On the other side of it, so many of us hate the idea of the nanny state where the government makes all kinds of personal behavior the subject of government intrusion, interference and regulations. It's reasonable for the government to require nutritional information on food products. But I doubt there are very many people who want the government what we can and can't eat.

I worry about what I eat. When I cook for others I serve reasonably healthful food and portions. Outside of that I think people should eat reasonably and responsibly but I don't make it my business to interfere with their free choices. If I were going to interfere with other peoples' personal choices I'd start out by making them all quit smoking, but of course that isn't going to happen.
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:27 PM   #12
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Part of the price of having freedom is having the freedom to do stupid things. If you took away the freedom to do stupid things it wouldn't be freedom anymore. On the other side of it, so many of us hate the idea of the nanny state where the government makes all kinds of personal behavior the subject of government intrusion, interference and regulations...

I agree 100%. As much as I am offended by the concept, I understand it is legal and effective.
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:30 PM   #13
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Greg, I couldn't care less about politics and government. What concerns me is that we have an epidemic of obesity and overall poor health in this country. Almost 30% of our young people are unable to serve in the military because they're too fat. That number is up a whopping 70% since 1995. Who's going to protect our freedoms when we're all too large to get off the couch and defend ourselves? And yet places like Heart Attack Grill glorify excess. They portray stuffing yourself with 4 days worth of food (and to the point of having cardiac failure) as being "cool." I'm sorry but I disagree with you. Freedom doesn't mean entitlement to do whatever one pleases.
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:42 PM   #14
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The US CDC says that 30% of all Americans are obese and another 30% are overweight. That seems a bit overzealous to me unless many of these people are hiding somewhere (they might be too embarrassed to leave their homes) but there's no question that too many people are overweight and don't get enough exercise.

However the Heart Attack Grill is glorifying eating to excess in the same way that many popular movies glorify crime, violence and drug abuse. You can't have freedom without having the freedom to include the bad stuff. I agree with you that the Heart Attack Grill is in poor taste. You can't legislate good taste. Even if you could legislate good taste I wouldn't trust the clowns we have in Washington to know good taste if it bit them. Government is not the solution to problems like this.

The best we can all do is withhold our business from places like Heart Attack Grill. Maybe the people who eat there deserve what they get.
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:52 PM   #15
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The best we can all do is withhold our business from places like Heart Attack Grill. Maybe the people who eat there deserve what they get.
You want to know my take? I honestly believe the owner, Joe Basso, is intentionally trying to make people suffer. Basso's background is as a nutritionist. He also used to own several Jenny Craig franchises. Doesn't it seem a little odd that someone with his background would be selling humongous burgers to folks, unless he's purposely trying to teach people a lesson?
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Old 02-18-2012, 03:04 PM   #16
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Exactly, my poor choices in the past have caught up with me, but there is noone to blame but myself. It's the choices we make in the future that make the difference.

Let the dice fall where they may fall for each of us, even those who continue on the bad road...survival of the fittest.
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Old 02-18-2012, 03:17 PM   #17
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You want to know my take? I honestly believe the owner, Joe Basso, is intentionally trying to make people suffer. Basso's background is as a nutritionist. He also used to own several Jenny Craig franchises. Doesn't it seem a little odd that someone with his background would be selling humongous burgers to folks, unless he's purposely trying to teach people a lesson?
No, I think he's a person with experience in the food industry who is doing the best he can to turn a profit and make a good income. I would be surprised if he doesn't appreciate the ironic humor of trying to force, encourage or coax people into a reasonable diet and finally giving up and letting people have what they want. If anything the lesson he's delivering by an object lesson is that it's more profitable to let people have what they want rather than trying to keep them from it.

Perhaps I'm getting a bit off topic but Jenny Craig isn't going to help you any more than Heart Attack Grill is going to hurt you. Having a healthful diet isn't eating some pre-prepared packaged food for 6 weeks and getting your target weight any more than eating one big humongous hamburger is going to give you a heart attack. The people who eat Jenny Craig who don't learn their lessons are going to go right back to their old diet and back at their old weight one day soon. The people who have heart attacks at Heart Attack Grill get them from years or a lifetime of abusing themselves with overeating and poor dietary choices.

The Heart Attack Grill doesn't cause heart attacks. It attracts people who are going to have them anyway. If the owner wants to do something civic minded he should locate his restaurant right up the street from the emergency room.
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Old 02-18-2012, 03:32 PM   #18
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You want to know my take? I honestly believe the owner, Joe Basso, is intentionally trying to make people suffer. Basso's background is as a nutritionist. He also used to own several Jenny Craig franchises. Doesn't it seem a little odd that someone with his background would be selling humongous burgers to folks, unless he's purposely trying to teach people a lesson?
I think he has tapped in to the glutton market. I think it is all about making money. I think he sees a buisness oppurtunity and he is going for it. He isn't responsible for their obesity or poor eating choices, he is capitalizing on them... he has seen a sector of the population that isn't going to change no matter what you say, so he may as well take their money.
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It's not as if he's the only one in the country pushing large portions of food that's not good for you. All the fast food joints push "Super size" or "King Size" meals. There are restaurants around here (and elsewhere as well) that advertise giant quantities.

Then there are the TV shows that glorify giant portions such as Man vs. Food.

Processed food manufacturers are constantly pushing larger portions (then they stick a nutrion label on the package that gives absurdly low portion sizes to keep the calories per portion low).

The "More is Better" psychology is pervasive in our society. It is embraced and encouraged by the food industry because it makes them money. They don't care if it makes their customers fat or causes heart attacks.
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Another example: "All you can eat" buffets. For one fixed price you pay for the right to eat literally as much as you want, even to the point of vomiting (although I imagine that would get you thrown out of the restaurant and probably invited to not return).

I think "all you can eat" implies that some customers will be eating more than is good for them. Yet does anybody criticize these places?
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