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Old 01-14-2019, 02:20 PM   #11
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If you add up the amount of liquid in the ingredients (water, vinegar, catsup, and ignoring what is in the carrots and meat ), there is enough liquid to bring the pot up to pressure. I've made this many times, and never had a problem. Worst case scenario is it doesn't come up to pressure, starts burning on the bottom, and the IP generates an error message and stops. I've never seen any tests on the subject, but I doubt that flour changes the boiling point of water (please correct me if you have data showing otherwise).

Here's a pressure cooker recipe from Kenji that has NO water added:

https://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/...de-recipe.html
I agree... Been fiddling with liquids in my IP and have only twice gotten the error message.. A quick adjustment takes care of it and lesson learned..

At times, a recipe or even following "rules" makes a too wet dish..

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Old 01-14-2019, 04:07 PM   #12
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If you add up the amount of liquid in the ingredients (water, vinegar, catsup, and ignoring what is in the carrots and meat ), there is enough liquid to bring the pot up to pressure. I've made this many times, and never had a problem. Worst case scenario is it doesn't come up to pressure, starts burning on the bottom, and the IP generates an error message and stops. I've never seen any tests on the subject, but I doubt that flour changes the boiling point of water (please correct me if you have data showing otherwise).

Here's a pressure cooker recipe from Kenji that has NO water added:

https://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/...de-recipe.html

The ketchup doesn't count -- and actually counts against the liquid amount, as it is too thick.

Flour, like I explained above, thickens water when its boiled, inhibiting the pot from coming to pressure. It has nothing to do with the boiling point of water.

Worst case scenario is that your dinner is ruined since its been par-cooked until you get the burn notice. Then you have to release pressure, clean out the pot, add liquid and start over. How long to cook? You don't even know when you get to that point.

Just saying that its better to follow the "IP rules" to ensure it works properly.
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Old 01-15-2019, 08:03 AM   #13
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The ketchup doesn't count -- and actually counts against the liquid amount, as it is too thick.

Flour, like I explained above, thickens water when its boiled, inhibiting the pot from coming to pressure. It has nothing to do with the boiling point of water.

Worst case scenario is that your dinner is ruined since its been par-cooked until you get the burn notice. Then you have to release pressure, clean out the pot, add liquid and start over. How long to cook? You don't even know when you get to that point.

Just saying that its better to follow the "IP rules" to ensure it works properly.
I'm trying to imagine under what circumstances this might happen. Once you start cooking vegetables and meat, they release water. This is true of any method. Once the IP valve closes, no water vapor will escape, and there will be a continued release of water from the cooking items. There is waaay more free water in the finished stew than what I added. I've made Kenji's pork chili verde that does not have any water added, and it works.

I got an error from the IP when I browned the meat in the IP and didn't do a good job of removing the fond from the bottom of the pot, and had to add a bit more water (which resulted in a more watery stew than usual). Now I brown meat in a skillet and deglaze with a liquid, as the IP is too small to efficiently brown a quantity of meat.

Are you telling me that if you add flour to pan drippings to make gravy it won't boil? My recipe calls for an equal amount of ketchup and water, so if ketchup offsets water, it shouldn't boil? I didn't know that I can't make the stew that I have made many times.
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Disclaimer: I have never used an IP. I don't think it's a question of boiling point when the liquid is thick. It's a question of how much water vapour it gives off, which is what raises the pressure. I suppose that heating the air in the pot accounts for some of the increase in pressure.
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Once the IP valve closes, no water vapor will escape...
I'm not addressing the question of the amount of liquid needed. Just wanted to mention that the IP does allow water vapor to escape through the valve after it has come up to pressure, in order to regulate the amount of pressure. It's one of the safety features.
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I am making a stew next week... I will try this recipe..
Thank you, tenspeed..
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Made this today.. It turned out great...
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