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Old 07-25-2007, 01:03 PM   #31
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Grooved steels DO remove some metal. Hone your knife with a grooved steel, then, using a damp cloth or paper towel, wipe the steel. You'll see the dark metallic "dust" that gets ground off. Heck, wipe your knife, and you'll see some on there as well.

I used to have a honing stone, two-sided, and man-made. It was like a block of compressed jeweler's rouge, in two different grades. I could polish an edge with that stone to a razor sharpness. In fact, if I used that stone, a steel would actually dull the knife. I'm kicking myself now for loosing it.
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Old 07-25-2007, 01:12 PM   #32
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Hone your knife with a grooved steel, then, using a damp cloth or paper towel, wipe the steel. You'll see the dark metallic "dust" that gets ground off. Heck, wipe your knife, and you'll see some on there as well.
This is what I do when I use my diamond steel, and also with a sharpening stone, and there's always a streak of dark gray dust. I've never had that with a grooved steel before, though.

Like I said, I prefer my diamond steel, as it slightly sharpens as it hones, but if for example, I've recently sharpened my knife on a stone and don't feel the blade needs the extra help from the diamond steel, I'll use my original grooved steel that I bought when I bought my knife. I've always been under the impression that the grooves were more effective at re-aligning the more serious dings that you might find at the edge of your knife.
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Old 07-25-2007, 01:27 PM   #33
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This is what I do when I use my diamond steel, and also with a sharpening stone, and there's always a streak of dark gray dust. I've never had that with a grooved steel before, though.

Like I said, I prefer my diamond steel, as it slightly sharpens as it hones, but if for example, I've recently sharpened my knife on a stone and don't feel the blade needs the extra help from the diamond steel, I'll use my original grooved steel that I bought when I bought my knife. I've always been under the impression that the grooves were more effective at re-aligning the more serious dings that you might find at the edge of your knife.
You're fighting hard, College, but you are incorrect. Right off hand there are only two things I can think of that realign blade edges, SMOOTH steels made of tool steel, and smooth glass, think wine bottle or the edge of your baking dish. That's it!!!!!

Everything else with edges or abrasives cuts metal. Period!!!!! It's the EDGES of the grooves on the grooved steels. It's the EDGES of the bits on milling machines. It's the EDGES of the tools associatied with metal lathes. It's the diamond dust. It's the gritty stones. Even silver polish removes precious silver from your spoon with the edges of the grit contained therein.

EDIT - Those teensy little diamond dust particles are also edges, millions upon millions of them. Very hard and lots of edges. That's why they cut so fast, way too fast for me. I use a diamond stone for only one purpose - to flatten my Japanese water stones.

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Old 07-25-2007, 03:54 PM   #34
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What brand of protractor do you use to meausre the angle of your blade in relation to the steel?
My "protractor" is actually one of my sharpeners. For my most exacting work I use an EdgePro. Read about it and see it in action here.

The way I measure is an age old sharpeners technique called the magic marker trick. Take a magic marker and run it along the edge and bevel. Now set the angle of the stone at approximately what you think is on the knife and lightly brush the edge with the stone. If the entire edge is wiped clean, congratulations, you've hit the jackpot. If not, remark, readjust, and try again until it fits. Once attained, read the angle on the pivot which has marks at 10, 15, 18, 21, and 24 degrees. It is not linear but you can interpolate.

Now, if a neighbor wants his knives sharpened I don't bother with the EdgePro because as with free handing on stones it is just too time consuming. For that, I use paper wheels whereon I can take an edge with the sharpness of an eraser to a jeweler's rouge polished razor in less than two minutes. But that's another story.

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