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Old 05-30-2008, 08:06 PM   #41
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Which is why I show compassion for them at a distance. And hope and pray that they try to go get some help.

And I know that if you yourself have been burnt once, you'd take the necessary steps to avoid the same thing from happening again. Not to wish any bad luck on you at all.

But the bottom line is, that help IS availible out there for them, and it more than likely costs them nothing. Nothing but time work and patience.

Some will ask for money and they are usually standing next to a liquor store, so you know what they want the money for. And if they are drunk or they drink to get drunk, I figure that if I were to give them money, well, I'm hurting them even more because that is more alcohol in their system, stomach and liver. That's why I shy away from giving them money.

Some will ask for money to get somethinjg to eat, or they eat food from the trash can.

I know that in Boston during the torridly hot summer weather and during the most bitterly cold days of winter, the homeless shelters and the police will go around and try to pull the homeless off the streets so that they won't die from the blazing heat of the sun or the bitter cold.

I can only look at them and shake my head. I might suggest to them to try to get to a shelter, but it's still up to them to make the move. Otherwise I can't force them to do it.

Here's another one of my old sayings; You can lead a horse or a dog to water, but you can't make them drink it.

I really don't have anything against them. They are human beings as well. Actually, it's society and the system that is failing them. I've always said that in cases like this, the system is broken and it needs to be fixed.
Sounds a bit more compassionate than this:

I never offer these people any money because I feel like this; That since they are out there all day begging for money, then why in the world can't they be looking for a job?!

Most of them just don't want to go get help. They just would rather stay out in the streets and be bums where garbage food is for free and so are empty soda bottles and cans!
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Old 05-31-2008, 01:42 AM   #42
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Yeah, but they WILL refuse help. They won't let anyone help them, so there's nothing else that can be done at that point.
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Old 05-31-2008, 07:56 AM   #43
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Corey you just don't get it. You are making blanket statements and generalizations that simply are not true. It might be true of the very small percentage that you have had contact with, but for you to say that about all of them the way you keep doing is just horrible and plain wrong.
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Sorry, but I think that you misunderstood me. This IS the small percentage that I've talked to.

I thought I explained to you that in a few posts back that I've made kind suggestions to them or SOME of the homeless that they should try to get into a shelter or get some help otherwise, which we all know is a start on the road to recovery if they do.

Did you hear me say ALL of them? Most likely not because I didn't. I said SOME of them. "They" or "them" does not necessarily mean all of them. Why would I say that when I know that some ARE in shelters getting help?

While there are some in shelters, there are still a lot of them to make the changeover to get help. For me to say ALL of them WOULD be wrong, but I never once said that about all of them.

I DO see quite a few of them in my neighborhood. Some will stop me and ask for some change. And sometimes I give some of it to them.
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Old 05-31-2008, 10:48 AM   #45
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Ok all, being one who has trouble in communicating I can see that "what we have here is a failure to communicate!" Remember that line guys and gals? If so smile. What was the movie, staring Paul Newman?

Anyway, we are now trying to dance on the head of a pin and only angels can do that.

Amy, you are a special person with a special heart as are all (maybe excepting me) who responded to your original querstion. Suggestion - some give food in one way or the other and some live where food is needed. Makes me know in this little town of Marion Ohio I had better start sharing a few dollars at the food pantrys - even five a month would help.

Besides that Amy, you have a flood of awesome recipes and I know that for a fact. How can we blend a bit of our own home cooking into the question of what to do for the homeless? Do you have a suggestion? Here I don't see them on the street - town is too small I guess so I will have to go a small monthly gift to a pantry, but apparently some could cook up a pot of something? and enjoy the cooking and the giving.

Any thoughts dear lady - don't mean to put you on the spot but I do respect your recipes and thoughts.
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Old 05-31-2008, 11:19 AM   #46
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Sorry, but I think that you misunderstood me. This IS the small percentage that I've talked to.

I thought I explained to you that in a few posts back that I've made kind suggestions to them or SOME of the homeless that they should try to get into a shelter or get some help otherwise, which we all know is a start on the road to recovery if they do.

Did you hear me say ALL of them? Most likely not because I didn't. I said SOME of them. "They" or "them" does not necessarily mean all of them. Why would I say that when I know that some ARE in shelters getting help?

While there are some in shelters, there are still a lot of them to make the changeover to get help. For me to say ALL of them WOULD be wrong, but I never once said that about all of them.

I DO see quite a few of them in my neighborhood. Some will stop me and ask for some change. And sometimes I give some of it to them.
Corey, if you did not mean all then that is great. You should really be more careful of what you say though. You did NOT say "some" as you claim. What you said was
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Yeah, but they WILL refuse help. They won't let anyone help them, so there's nothing else that can be done at that point.
Saying they like that implies ALL. It does not imply some. You might want to be aware of that for the future.
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David had a very good idea - I've been reading in the news that food banks are almost out of food because so many people are in need right now. Just give whatever you can to your local food bank.....
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Old 05-31-2008, 11:26 AM   #48
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Sorry, but I think that you misunderstood me. This IS the small percentage that I've talked to.

I thought I explained to you that in a few posts back that I've made kind suggestions to them or SOME of the homeless that they should try to get into a shelter or get some help otherwise, which we all know is a start on the road to recovery if they do.

Did you hear me say ALL of them? Most likely not because I didn't. I said SOME of them. "They" or "them" does not necessarily mean all of them. Why would I say that when I know that some ARE in shelters getting help?

While there are some in shelters, there are still a lot of them to make the changeover to get help. For me to say ALL of them WOULD be wrong, but I never once said that about all of them.

I DO see quite a few of them in my neighborhood. Some will stop me and ask for some change. And sometimes I give some of it to them.
Corey, one doesn't have to say the word "all" in every sentence in order to be mistakenly generalizing about a large and diverse group of people.

Your words from your first post:

Most of them just don't want to go get help. They just would rather stay out in the streets and be bums where garbage food is for free and so are empty soda bottles and cans!

That is undeniably a generalization. You have the right to your opinion, and others have the right to take strong exception to it.
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I just go by what my heart tells me if it's the same guy day after day and looks capable of working he gets nothing if it's someone that really looks like they need some help I give some money. I really prefer that those that are capable of working and have all their faculty's get nothing. If they don't want to help themselves why should I help them. By the way if it came down to it you can always get a job washing dishes and you will most likely get a meal everyday as well. Panhandling can be quite profitable for some people which is why they do what they do rather than work a minimum wage job.
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I just go by what my heart tells me if it's the same guy day after day and looks capable of working he gets nothing if it's someone that really looks like they need some help I give some money. I really prefer that those that are capable of working and have all their faculty's get nothing. If they don't want to help themselves why should I help them. By the way if it came down to it you can always get a job washing dishes and you will most likely get a meal everyday as well. Panhandling can be quite profitable for some people which is why they do what they do rather than work a minimum wage job.
One minor point -- unfortunately, it is not always simple to determine a person's mental or physical health/abilities by merely looking at them as you pass by. Some problems are obvious; others not at all.
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