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Old 02-21-2012, 12:41 PM   #1
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Test tube beef

£200,000 test-tube burger marks milestone in future meat-eating | Environment | The Guardian

Would you eat it?

If you were a vegetarian, would you eat it?

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Old 02-21-2012, 01:08 PM   #2
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£200,000 test-tube burger marks milestone in future meat-eating | Environment | The Guardian

Would you eat it?

If you were a vegetarian, would you eat it?

...not until the price drops a bit.
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...not until the price drops a bit.
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You mean fast food beef isn't a test tube experiment already?
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Sure, I'd eat it. I mean I wouldn't gag at the thought of eating it. It's just beef muscle and fat. But beef flavor is produced by the actions of an extremely complex array of factors. But acceptable flavor is probably something that can be done, at least by the time the process is economically feasible. It's obviously well suited for emulating ground beef. But one of the ultimate goals of all such processes is to grow functional replicas of specific organs. No doubt one of the first steps beyond mystery meat will be a generic muscle. But that's a big step. It's one thing growing one tissue. It's another to create the mix or muscle fiber, connective tissue, and fat in beef muscle.

I do, though, have doubts about whether it will do what they hope, cut down on beef raised for food. I would think it would be easier to fake beef by genetically modifying the more efficient swine or starting with pig meat and processing a beefy product. Plenty of meat products, particularly chicken, are constructed from parts. But I've not seen anything like manufactured whole chicken "breasts" to rival the real thing. They don't seem to think they can sell it, even to prisons.

Now what I'd really like them to grow would be cheap scallops. Not like the pollock "crab" mean, but real scallops grown from scallop tissue.

As to whether a vegetarian would eat it, that might depend on whether their motive for grazing was on account of the affect of meat on them or the affect of them eating meat on the animals. If it's about eating mean having bad effects, no. If it's about the effect on animals, why not? It should be no more objectionable than vegetable-based fake meat. (Which I find vaguely silly for a moral vegetarian. Won't eat the animal but will pretend to eat the animal and likes the meat experience.)
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The report noted that a full portion of grown pork was eaten and he said he was less than impressed with it.
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Ugh, no.

If it ever comes down to test tube beef being the only beef available, I'll buy a 47' Fountain Lightning and make high speed runs between Baton Rouge and an undisclosed location on the Yucatan Peninsula.

There I will conduct illicit transactions with a shady beef purveyor. I'll make MILLIONS!

Did I take that too far?
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It looks like that pink slime they'd been adding to hamburgers at McDonalds.
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It looks like that pink slime they'd been adding to hamburgers at McDonalds.


But there won't be any noses in that.
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Ugh, no.

If it ever comes down to test tube beef being the only beef available, I'll buy a 47' Fountain Lightning and make high speed runs between Baton Rouge and an undisclosed location on the Yucatan Peninsula.

There I will conduct illicit transactions with a shady beef purveyor. I'll make MILLIONS!

Did I take that too far?

On the bright side, there probably isn't any gristle in test tube ground beef.
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Good point, Andy!
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The grown pork would probably be pretty sterile. If the difference between commercial farm-raised pork and pigs raised running loose in the oak forest is any indicator, pork grown without any influences but pure nutrients couldn't be expected to taste like much. Like bob veal but without even the influence of the mother's diet.
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On the bright side, there probably isn't any gristle in test tube ground beef.
Actually, that possibility did cross my mind.
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Would you eat it?

If you were a vegetarian, would you eat it?
No and no.
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Sure, I'd eat it. I mean I wouldn't gag at the thought of eating it. It's just beef muscle and fat. But beef flavor is produced by the actions of an extremely complex array of factors. But acceptable flavor is probably something that can be done, at least by the time the process is economically feasible. It's obviously well suited for emulating ground beef. But one of the ultimate goals of all such processes is to grow functional replicas of specific organs. No doubt one of the first steps beyond mystery meat will be a generic muscle. But that's a big step. It's one thing growing one tissue. It's another to create the mix or muscle fiber, connective tissue, and fat in beef muscle.
And adding to what you say, muscle is not just a genetic formula. The muscle has to go through an exercise regime, or otherwise there would be no difference between range beef or range chicken and the normal products.

You can't create a formula like this. It wo't work unless you duplicate all the exercise conditioning that forms the muscles that become our steaks.
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Ugh, no.

If it ever comes down to test tube beef being the only beef available, I'll buy a 47' Fountain Lightning and make high speed runs between Baton Rouge and an undisclosed location on the Yucatan Peninsula.

There I will conduct illicit transactions with a shady beef purveyor. I'll make MILLIONS!

Did I take that too far?
Charcoal, you might not make"millions"! Have you ever eaten Mexican beef? Some if it is pretty darn tough! I think this is because the "grass" is missing in grass fed beef, not alot of grass in some parts of Mexico, lol! But then again....it might be better than "test tube beef"! :)
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People in that movie ate it to survive, I don't think anyone in that movie said it was tasty. Maybe this future world will have to grow meat with little taste (some virus that kills off most animals).

It'll be a time in our future maybe. But after that period... we'll all have food replicators like in Star Trek the Next Generation that can replicate your long dead moms favorite recipe to a tee. They will have gotten growing meat and all other meal ingredients to perfection.

I see this as the first step towards a Soylent Green type necessity, ending up with Star Treks Next Generation food replicator perfection.

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I agree, Caslon. Technology will find a way.
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