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Old 12-30-2008, 01:15 PM   #1
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How we view food

Something in the "porn" thread got me thinking. While I agree that the adoration of food is not a wholesome act, and that "adulate excess and overindulgence" is wrong as well, creating the best that we can with whatever is available to us is not. I am thankfull for everything I have, and understand that not everyone is as fortunate as I am, even though I'm far from upper middle class in pay scale. Still, I have a warm home, everyday bills, plus other family related bills, enough food to eat, a steady job and income, and a few toys (my fishing poles and my computer).

IF all I have to eat is rice and beans, then I'm going to make it the best rice and beans that I can, and present it in such a way as to help others enjoy it. I don't know if you were around for our first "Golden Chef" competition, but oats were the theme ingredient. And this humble food was transformed into a main dish, with multiple sides and a desert.

Part of my thankfulness for what I have is to use the skills and talents that I was endowed with to make the most of this world with the resources at my disposal. And If I am not taking from another, or wasting those resources, then am I wrong? Yes I do occasionally over-indulge. I've eaten some very good steaks prepared over charcoal and wood. But I've not done it at another's expense, and in fact, had to sacrifice in other areas to provide such a meal for my family.

I certainly don't worship food. But I do appreciate it. and since I have to eat the stuff, I'm sure going to make that task as enjoyable as I can, and for every member of my family.

You need not eat gruel to be appreciative of what you have. Rather, don't waste it, and keep it in proper perspective. If you use resources to purchase lobster when you should be paying your electric bill, then that is wrong. But if you have set aside the money, and still met your other obligations, and that includes helping others, then go ahead and cook up some lobster tails, or a bone-in rib eye, or your best lasagna.

When I take a picture of a beautiful lake, surrounded by the colorful fall foilage, I take time to compose the picture, get the light settings adjusted, frame the picture, and focus, to get the best picture I can get. I want to savor that image, capture it so that I can relive the joy and appreciation of that beutiful landscape. And so it is with food. I want to enjoy it to the fullest, and with those I love. For me, there are precious few things I enjoy doing that I wouldn't share with anyone else. I can only think of one, braunshwieger (sp), and that's only because no one else in my house can stomach the stuff. And that's about the only food I can think of that I purchase strictly for myself, and then only about twice a year.

Loving food is not wrong, just as loving a woman is not wrong, as long as that woman (and I'm sticking my neck out here, but it is my belief) is your spouse. And it is not even wrong to appreciate her body in private. But all things must be done with respect.

A wolf loves venison. I love venison. What is the difference between me and the wolf? I will try to enhance that venison by cooking techniques and seasonings. Plus, I don't bite my wife on the neck to drive her away until I get my fill. Rather, I offer her the best part. The sole difference between humans and animals is that we have developed, or have been given (your choice) and itellect that allows us to be tender toward each other, to put the needs of others before our own needs. When we perform those acts of selfishness, be they in sex, glutany, lust, or whatever, we transform ourselves into animals once more, denying the nature of our being that makes us different.

It is the act of allowing oneself to behave as an animal that is viewed as wrong, and sometimes horific to most of us.

Humility is the characteristic wherein a person understands that he/she is imperfect, and has much to learn. It allows us to put down our stubborness and defensive walls so that we can grow from the experience and wisdom of others.

Thankfullness is the characteristic of understanding that it is not by our own power that we are even alive, but rather, by the choices of our parents, and of the many people around us, and whatever you believe created this world upon which we live, and paying gratitude to those that have made our lives a little bit more grand.

Wisdom is the ability to look at the world, weighing it against what we have learned in our lives, in order to make better choices than we did when we had less experience.

Be thanfull for your food. Be humble in partaking of it. But enjoy it thoroughly for what it is, and present it to your best ability for others to share with you.

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Old 12-30-2008, 01:54 PM   #2
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just a thought: if wolves had porn, deer might be safer.

and they could tolerate the female wolves a lot better.
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I have a friend who wished food came in pill form. He only views food as a source of energy to fuel the body, and nothing else. Food Porn means nothing to him.

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Would someone please think of the children!!


Nice thread Goodweed!!!
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lol, i know a guy who wanted to invent a pill so that his flatulence would smell nice. he wanted to call it poop-pourri.

no kidding!
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just a thought: if wolves had porn, deer might be safer.

and they could tolerate the female wolves a lot better.
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Thanks for taking the time to write out your thoughts GW

It is a strange subject for me though. I have never thought of indulging in or celebrating food as being in anyway sinful or prideful. Food in my family was never "fancy" but the importance of it being good was unquestioned. The best food was the food prepared with love. Love for the fine ingredients, traditions and techniques that went into making it but more importantly Love for the people being fed. Making something beautiful and nourishing for people you care about is to me a thankful act. Thankful that you have the resources to do this and thankful for the people you are preparing for.

gluttony is something else altogether.
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Thanks for taking the time to write out your thoughts GW

It is a strange subject for me though. I have never thought of indulging in or celebrating food as being in anyway sinful or prideful. Food in my family was never "fancy" but the importance of it being good was unquestioned. The best food was the food prepared with love. Love for the fine ingredients, traditions and techniques that went into making it but more importantly Love for the people being fed. Making something beautiful and nourishing for people you care about is to me a thankful act. Thankful that you have the resources to do this and thankful for the people you are preparing for.

gluttony is something else altogether.
I like the way you think. I feel the same way about food as you all know. It is my passion and I love the whole idea of it. I see nothing sinful in loving the finished product. As far as pride is concerned, that is the one thing I always feel when I've done a good job. I can't say I ADORE food, but I am fascinated by it and treat it with respect and admiration. A lot of people from the farmer to the cook, went through a lot of trouble to bring us the food that sits on our table.
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Loving food is not wrong, just as loving a woman is not wrong, as long as that woman (and I'm sticking my neck out here, but it is my belief) is your spouse. And it is not even wrong to appreciate her body in private. But all things must be done with respect.


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I'm not sure that I understand that line since many women are loved by men who are not their spouses. As for enjoying something with respect, that too is relative. What may be disrespectful to you or someone else, may be appropriate for me or someone else. Respect for food means treating it well. But to enjoy it with relish and abandon, is pure heaven. Same with people.

People who live in Michigan, as you do, are surrounded by farmlands giving them the very best of whatever is grown there. Who couldn't love food in that environment?
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Old 12-30-2008, 05:34 PM   #12
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Loving food is not wrong, just as loving a woman is not wrong, as long as that woman (and I'm sticking my neck out here, but it is my belief) is your spouse. And it is not even wrong to appreciate her body in private. But all things must be done with respect.
I'm not sure I understand this either, GW, as it relates to food. But I think this is a very interesting thread and it's thought provoking.

I have always had a relatively uninspired relationship with food. I ate it because I need it to live. I enjoyed feeding my family in the sense that it was part of protecting their health. I loved meal times because of the social aspect of sitting around together laughing and joking and keeping up with everyone's lives. But because I was a poor cook, the tastiness of the meal wasn't given much priority. (My mom was an equally poor cook and meal times were awful when I was growing up. My main goal nutritionally as a parent was to try and make sure I prepared a variety of foods that each child liked and to make sure I never forced anyone at my table to eat anything they didn't want to eat.)

Now that I have some limited skills in the kitchen, it has truly enhanced our meal times. The actual food is something we look forward to as much as the family time. And we all enjoy getting together in the kitchen to prepare things. But none of us is proficient enough to really love food yet. We enjoy a delicious meal and eat it with gusto. But if it doesn't turn out so well, we still eat it and don't think twice about it.

I don't know if this is good or bad, and until I joined DC, I didn't even know it was unusual! I do wonder if our relationship with food will change as my skills improve. Someone mentioned gluttony and it made me think. I have never understood gluttony, but I think it may have something to do with not having had really delicious food on a regular basis. No one in the family has ever had a weight problem except for when a couple of them moved away and began eating fast foods and convenience foods - (something that isn't practical in a household with 7 or more children at any given time).

Anyway, that's my wierd feelings and thoughts on food.
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I love to gather all of my ingredients even before I prepare them and admire them. I admire food! I don't think that is a bad thing. Some of my favorite pictures have been of unprepared dinners/suppers. I often like the uncooked states of foods when it comes to photograph.

Beautiful food wakes my senses - I can't help it and I don't feel bad because of it. I also don't even associate the term in question when I take pictures of it. The thought never enters my mind...well...except the REALLY good pictures!
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I'm not sure that I understand that line since many women are loved by men who are not their spouses. As for enjoying something with respect, that too is relative. What may be disrespectful to you or someone else, may be appropriate for me or someone else. Respect for food means treating it well. But to enjoy it with relish and abandon, is pure heaven. Same with people.

People who live in Michigan, as you do, are surrounded by farmlands giving them the very best of whatever is grown there. Who couldn't love food in that environment?
I could be wrong, but I don't think he means love as in you fall in love with someone, I think he means the act of making love and is saying he believes that should only occur between spouses. The context he is writing it in leads me to believe that is his meaning.
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Thank you GW for sharing those thoughts. Food is the "binder" for certain aspects of life - it keeps us alive, it brings people together, makes memories, teaches us science and math techniques when we combine it with other ingredients etc... Food is a fascinating subject (which is why I joined this site, lol). Thank you again for sharing :o)
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Life is filled with all kinds of pleasures and I was not raised to believe that pleasure is in and of itself sinful so I do not understand where you are going with your thoughts.

This is a foodie site. It would be strange if we did not discuss how shopping, prepping and preparing food pleases us or that sharing what we make with those we love pleases us.
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Life is filled with all kinds of pleasures and I was not raised to believe that pleasure is in and of itself sinful so I do not understand where you are going with your thoughts.

This is a foodie site. It would be strange if we did not discuss how shopping, prepping and preparing food pleases us or that sharing what we make with those we love pleases us.
I too enjoy food, the taste, the textures, the aromas, the preperation, and the excitement of creating something new, or perfecting something we have been shown by another's experience or teachings. I was merely stating that food should be respected for what it is, and not idolized above things of greater import. And it completely up to the individual to know if he/she is puting too much effort into all things food.

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t completely up to the individual to know if he/she is puting too much effort into all things food.

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I do not understand this statement? How can you put too much effort into anything? I was always taught if you are going to do something then do it to the best of your ability. Don't do it half-hearted. By that logic, it is impossible to put too much effort into anything.
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My philosophy is that cooking is my hobby. To me it's the best kind of hobby because eating is a necessity. 99% percent of my ingredients come from the supermarket or farmer's market, and I make the best meals with what what I have on hand. I can cook delicious meals and be economical at the same time. Yes I love to cook, and I love to eat the meals that I cook. For that I am not ashamed...
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I do not understand this statement? How can you put too much effort into anything? I was always taught if you are going to do something then do it to the best of your ability. Don't do it half-hearted. By that logic, it is impossible to put too much effort into anything.
Excellent thought. I agree. I don't think that you can enjoy anthing too much either. Is there anything more pleasurable than enjoying to the fullest anything that you do well, or anything that anyone else does well? Addiction and obsessions are, of course, the exception, but I dont think anyone here is talking about either of those.
I had dinner with my friends last night at a wonderful restuarant that made the most fantastic meal I've had in a restuarant in years. I thoroughly enjoyed every bite and was grateful that those who prepared it knew what they were doing and did it well. Life is to be enjoyed whether the pleasure is physical or visual.
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